Thursday, August 10, 2017

John Smith Julie Ali You are asking me how I got all this from Tricia's comments? Are you capable of reading?Along with her excuses for DF and finger pointing at other MP's did you read her letter about Trudeau posted farther up? She was nothing but a pathetic schill for the Conservatives with that letter and her phoney outrage. There wasn't one ounce of integrity in her motives or in what she wrote. And by the way, Rona Ambrose paid for her own yacht trip. Why do you think that she didn't? Again, you need to read up and inform yourself of the facts. As for Duffy, go back and read Judge Vaillancourt's decision on that trial. The real scoundrels were in the PM's office, so don't point your finger at Duffy. And Trudeau, like Harper did when he went away for holidays, paid for the personal part of his own vacation at Christmas as well. The other costs are tied to security for the PM. No PM is allowed to take commercial flights for personal trips nor are they allowed to go without security. So it was not a "free" vacation as you so cluelessly wrote. And cut out the "poor Tricia" baloney along with the populist "elite" rhetoric you keep repeating. Like · Reply · 6 hrs · Edited---------Julie Ali John Smith This is a democracy. If you want to put down your opinions you can. Also other citizens like myself and Tricia can also yap. If our perspective is different than yours so be it. As for the Trudeau, he still should not have taken that trip in my opinion. I feel for Tricia because folks here don't seem to tolerate any perspective but their own. Sad.-------




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 I have to admit that I find this situation rather odd. Here we have Mr. Fildebrandt who I seem to recall was an avid defender of the public purse when he wasn't a politician as noted here:

http://www.derekfildebrandt.ca/about

Fildebrandt served as both the Alberta Director and National Research Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Federally, he fought to end the Liberal long-gun registry, scrap gold-plated MP pensions, and require First Nation Chiefs to publicly disclose their salaries to band members. In Alberta, he led the fight against the Redford government’s deficit budgets and abuse of taxpayers’ money.
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So he was all about "abuse of the taxpayers' money" before he got to be an MLA.
Now he is an MLA and he has a subsidy for housing that is rather plush in my opinion:

http://edmontonjournal.com/.../finance-critic-derek...
Members of the Legislative Assembly from outside the capital region are entitled to a maximum of $23,160 in a fiscal year to own or lease a property in Edmonton, or $193 per night for a hotel while in the city on official business.
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Not satisfied with the generous outlay of cash by taxpayers he parleys this allowance into a business venture where he makes a profitable sum of cash. He sublets this apartment to gain a nice income besides the public subsidy. This sure seems like double dipping to me. If there are no rules against this practice there sure as heck should be.

I encourage the NDP folks to take full advantage of this revelation of how fiscally unsound the Finance Critic for the UCP is and put in legislation stat to prevent the rental of any property that is financed by the housing allowance. While I sympathize with Mr. Fildebrandt's canny use of other peoples' money to make a profit I somehow don't think he should be doing this while telling us that it is a waste of housing. That is besides the point. He either gets the housing allowance or he gets the rent that someone else pays him. He should not be getting both the housing allowance and a rental income simultaneousl.

In my opinion, if the Finance Critic for the UCP is so bad at preventing the abuse of public monies, he should simply retire from politics and start a private business where he can use other peoples' money without such impediments to his ingenuity.
Derek Fildebrandt is the Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) for Strathmore-Brooks and serves as…
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Tricia Layden Rumbles He could buy a house and use that allowance toward the mortgage - he can do what he wants with that property. It's the same, since the lease is in his name. Sorry, no biggie. And I would be willing I bet there are MANY mla's in all parties that do this.
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Tricia Layden Rumbles Julie Ali yeah.. regardless of which party was in office, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Julie Ali Tricia Layden Rumbles You're nice. The real problem is that citizens are being used as generators of cash for the public bank that all political parties party on. Shame. But there you go.
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Aaron Lemke Tricia Layden Rumbles don't bother they don't get it.
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Julie Ali Aaron Lemke We do get it. We're being fiscally abused by the fiscally conservative politician who is telling us that he is being fiscally sound to rent out his empty place and earn extra cash while still getting a housing allowance from us. We get it.
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Julie Ali Bill Adams And all the NDP. And all the UCPs. They're all the same.
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Julie Ali Bill Adams This is not true. Most citizens are nice folks. They may be a tad naive about politicians but I think we are learning. Maybe don't insult voters. We're doing the best we can.
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Julie Ali Tricia Layden Rumbles Classy answer. I think Mr. Trudeau should not have accepted free holidays and he should pay back the people for the expenses incurred. The elite however, are different from ordinary folks.
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Julie Ali Sean Michael Mr. Trudeau should not have accepted a free holiday and we should be paid back for expenses. I see no problem with criticizing him for this venture.
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Stephanie Shantz Tricia Layden Rumbles this isn't about subletting. It's his place, he absolutely has the right to sublet it. What he doesn't have a right to do is claim expenses that are not his actual housing expenses. As many, many people have pointed out to you no ...See More
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Bob Tompkins Tricia Layden Rumbles This is an absolute embarrassment. Fildebrandt ran the Alberta Taxpayers Federation and lobbied against wasteful government spending. It certainly is a loophole that no MLA should be able to take advantage of. Because of Fildebran...See More
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Bella Zyla Harder Tricia Layden Rumbles then he shouldn't be collecting from the subsidy when the lege is not in session...
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Dave Chapman Tricia Layden Rumbles, it's an allowance based on actual expenses incurred. If he sleeps on a park bench, he doesn't just get that money. 
If he spends $2000 a month he gets that back up to his yearly max (a bit under that).
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It may not be technically wrong, or legally wrong, but it is certainly morally wrong.
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Rob Plante Tricia Layden Rumbles that's not true- if you read the article, it states that he is entitled to claim only ACTUAL expenses and not automatically the MAXIMUM allowed. Over $7700 billed to the taxpayers for 3 months is a lot in my opinion for a propert...See More
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Bill Adams Tricia Layden Rumbles Wow and you're the one who should be ashamed of yourself, supporting this nonsense. wow grow up and do whats right for the province, not your party for once!
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Rory Kyte He could, if he lived in the house. But he didn't. It might be legal but ethical!? Hardly.

He can't sit there and tell people it is wrong for them to claim EI or take welfare because they're "working the system" when it appears he's been doing it his whole political life.
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Allan Paquet So the unethical becomes ethical if more people are doing It? You really are a perfect Wildcon deciple.
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Bill Adams Julie Ali so it's the NDP's fault that this clown is so lacking in morals he seeks any loophole possible to suck the taxpayer dry, great job
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Bill Adams Tricia Layden Rumbles yes because Morales can't be legislated, you either have them or you don't, and this clown clearly has none!
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Heather Powell McFarland If it was exposed it was a house where the mortgage was being paid by your taxes rented out it would also be double dipping.
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Katherine MacRae Allan Paquet The article states he claims he is not pocketing the money, that it goes toward payment on the apartment.
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Donald Edison Disregarding for the moment the benefit he's gamed from the system, only a fool would think that the optics of this would go unnoticed.
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Evone Monteith Tricia Layden Rumbles no, the real point is that in him, we have somebody wanting to represent and lead Albertans but he doesn't have a clue about what is so wrong with what he did.
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Lisa M. Parks Torch Rankin It's a bachelor suite so doesn't have a bedroom. Must be one hell of an apartment for $2500 a month.
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Linda Feland-Swityk He is allowed to claim exact expenses only. If he is claiming his mortgage amount then that is legit. But if he is renting out his condo when he is not there then it is no longer an expense but a profit. Now if he is only claiming the expense when he is staying there and not the times when he is renting it out then it is legit. I think it is legit.
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Jennifer Rengger Did you see how Tricia and Julie somehow spun it into a slight against the NDP? Lol you people are priceless. The PC party Julie is talking about no longer exists precisely because of this stuff.
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Terence Savage More excuses for Tory corruption. If a dipper had been caught doing this you people would do nothing but whine and cry about it.
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Shannan Thiessen Allan Paquet what part of "he was willing to use it to pay down debt", didn't you get?
Between the NDP on the sinking ship and the sour grapes defunct pc and wrp you people are comical. 
You'd rather watch the province sink than grab an oar and help paddle!
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Randy Reichardt Tricia Layden Rumbles You wrote, "Guys-- they are saying this is an acceptable practice and I can guarantee you there are many (even NDP) mla's who are doing SOMETHING similar that may benefit themselves financially or saving money, when offered an all...See More
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Dave MacDougall Tricia Layden Rumbles 
Yes, but look at the timing. He criticizes Jean and gets. Knife in the back. 
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John Smith Tricia, your double talking hypocrisy comes through so utterly, both with your comments here and your letter to Trudeau. 

The Trudeau "controversy" certainly quieted down in the House of Commons after it was discovered that Rona Ambrose (who did not c
heck with the Ethics Commissioner either until 8 or 9 days into her holiday and only after they started going after Trudeau) was texting from an oil billionaire's yacht (and we know how well the oil industry is treated by the govt) who is part owner of the Calgary Flames and who wants the taxpayers to foot a big portion of their new stadium.

Trudeau, on the other hand, is vacationing with the Aga Khan (a good friend of Trudeau Sr) whom Harper made an honorary Canadian Citizen for his work building hospitals, schools, etc around the world in poor and war torn countries. 

So lets see?? Ambrose is on a billionaire's yacht with a guy who will be lobbying for the oil industry or for getting the taxpayers to help fund their new sports complex in Calgary while Trudeau is visiting a billionaire who may be lobbying the government for charitable donations for schools and hospitals for the poor around the world.

Are you able to see the difference? I am not sure after your more than idiotic argument defending what DF has done. And as for your comment about others doing it, well you have no proof at this point. We are talking about Fildebrandt right now and no one else, so quick trying to deflect. 

But you have certainly revealed something about your character, because accusations and assumptions like you have made in an attempt to paint everyone with the same brush is invariably a reflection of the accuser's own double standards and low level of ethics.
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Rory Kyte Actually you don't. The policy is that you can only claim for "out of pocket costs" and that the property is used primarily for your government business while the government is paying for its use.

Thus knowing this Mr Fildebrandt knowingly violated p
olicy and potentially knowingly converted a government asset for personal use and profit. If he was employed by any company he'd be fired on the spot. There may even be a case to answer at law.

In any event he should only claim his net cost - his out of pocket cost. Not profiteer off of the tax payers he alleges that he is there to serve.
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Julie Ali Bob Tompkins Doubt this will happen. The ability to tolerate dissonance (acts not agreeing with chatter) is built into all politicians. He will be a valuable member of the UCP if the Kenney has anything to do with it. Unfortunately.
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Julie Ali John Smith Wow. Where did you get all this from her comments? I would say your comment says more about the low level of discourse you are capable of than anything poor Tricia tried to say here. She indicated that Mr. Trudeau was wasting public money which I think he was on that free trip. And she indicated that the legislation as is allows for the abuse of the housing allowance and this loophole is available to all MLAs. We only know of Mr. Fildebrandt's commercial venture. The GOA should pony up the information from all MLAs of how they use their housing allowance which should be part of the expense disclosure. Any extra cash of the sort that Mr. Fildebrandt was acquiring as part of his so called attempt to not waste his housing space should be disallowed. If folks do this stuff that rental income should go to the GOA. We need it.
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Julie Ali John Smith Rona Ambrose like Mr. Trudeau is part of the elite who are different from us so it seems. Both of them seem to think such junkets are part of the privileges of power. I don't think they indicate very good decision making abilities on the part of the politicians. This has nothing to do with brands of Liberal, Conservative or UCP. It's got to do with the mentality of politicians and the failure of the politicians themselves to end this sort of taking advantage of their positions. Loopholes all over need to be closed. They appear to voters like myself to be perks for informal lobbying.
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Julie Ali Bill Adams Obviously most of us are ordinary citizens who are not lawyers. Insulting folks isn't nice. Why would you insult her by calling her a lawyer? Don't you know that it's usually the MLAs who are lawyers? That's how they know about these loopholes and how to best milk the system. Maybe next time just say you disagree with her comment instead of insulting her in this way.
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Julie Ali Jennifer Rengger My dear Jennifer. I voted NDP. This doesn't make me into a person who ignores their failures. And their broken promises. I am not spinning anything. I am saying the FACTS. The facts are the PCs have tolerated a loophole that allows business ventures by canny politicians. The NDP now are aware of the loophole. What will they do about it? I'm guessing nothing. Usually the NDP don't do anything until there is #MediaAttention. I guess we will have to wait for more social media outcry before they get off their rumps and work. We are still waiting for the results of the child welfare system panel and the promised 2,000 long term care beds in continuing care. Strange how NDP voters think anyone who criticizes the NDP are somehow PC supporters.
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Julie Ali Dave MacDougall I am curious if there are other folks in other parties doing this sort of commerce. Might be time for the media to ask the other political parties about their MLAs.
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Julie Ali Ray Wilk You should not be insulting her. She is a nice lady and I think it's wrong to do this junk.
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Julie Ali Bill Adams I think all politicians are a tad off. Not only the PCs. They are after all able to make promises before an election and break them after an election which indicates that their promises are so much magic dust.
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Julie Ali Bill Adams You are confused. I did not say it was anyone's fault. Mr. Fildebrandt is doing what most politicians do which is milk the system. You only have to look at the Redford's Sky Palace, the Duffy's expenditures, the Trudeau's trip to the Aga Khan's place, the Ambrose's yacht trip and now the handover of $235 million as a "Loan" to big oil for their orphan well program by the NDP folks in Alberta to see how politicians are of every political brand. Best that you get out of brand identification. This is a loophole left by the PCs and revealed to us by generous UCP folks no doubt. Now the NDP need to close the loophole or do they believe this loophole is just?
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Julie Ali Allan Paquet I don't think this is an appropriate response. She was indicating that there may be other MLAs of all political parties participating in the business ventures permitted by the existing loophole in the legislation which allows this junk.
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John Smith Julie Ali You are asking me how I got all this from Tricia's comments? Are you capable of reading?Along with her excuses for DF and finger pointing at other MP's did you read her letter about Trudeau posted farther up? She was nothing but a pathetic schill for the Conservatives with that letter and her phoney outrage. There wasn't one ounce of integrity in her motives or in what she wrote.

And by the way, Rona Ambrose paid for her own yacht trip. Why do you think that she didn't? Again, you need to read up and inform yourself of the facts.

As for Duffy, go back and read Judge Vaillancourt's decision on that trial. The real scoundrels were in the PM's office, so don't point your finger at Duffy.

And Trudeau, like Harper did when he went away for holidays, paid for the personal part of his own vacation at Christmas as well. The other costs are tied to security for the PM. No PM is allowed to take commercial flights for personal trips nor are they allowed to go without security. So it was not a "free" vacation as you so cluelessly wrote.

And cut out the "poor Tricia" baloney along with the populist "elite" rhetoric you keep repeating.
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Donald Wiwad Tricia Layden Rumbles ; Why not just let them pay for their own rent. They have a job and are very well paid.
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Donald Wiwad Tricia Layden Rumbles ; Read the story again. You seem to be missing a point.
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Donald Wiwad Tricia Layden Rumbles ; Read the story again,. You to seem to be missing a point.
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John Mains Tricia Layden Rumbles if his subsidy is around $23,000 would that cover the rent on a bachelor apartment in that location? if so, how is it right that he sublet it and pocket the money for himself, when it is taxpayer money from the start? to me the fiscally prudent and ethically correct thing to do is rebate the money to the government without being called out, or to deduct it from your claim - which is supposed to reflect true costs not just the maximum allowable...if i am missing something here i am open to any clarification, thanks!
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Dylan McLernon Bob Tompkins Apparently Brad Wall's failure hasn't been enough to dissuade you from what the conservatives are offering Alberta. Which is absolutely nothing. I wish people in this province could actually read, and took some time to take a look at the difference the NDP is making for our Universities and thus the future of Alberta's economy. It is blind foolishness for anyone in the working class to support conservatives like Kenney, who have brought in more foreign workers rather than help the cause of working Canadians. 

Fildebrant is immoral.
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Donald Wiwad Tricia Layden Rumbles ; Read the story again , please. No he would not get the Money if he moved in into Jean's tent.
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Julie Ali Tricia Layden Rumbles I don't know why folks are so sensitive about criticism with reference to the NDP. So odd. Yet y'all accept criticism of the PCs and the UCP folks. I voted NDP in the last election. Based on their namby pamby style of governance I won't vote for them again. They need to get going with change in the continuing care system and the child welfare system. The excuses that they can't do this in their four years in office just because the PCs were here for 44 years is odd. Well if they can't do it, let us hire another political party to do the work of change. If the NDP can't also close this loophole in the housing allowance rules then again, this is an indication of their weakness in governance. And in legislation making.
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Julie Ali John Smith This is a democracy. If you want to put down your opinions you can. Also other citizens like myself and Tricia can also yap. If our perspective is different than yours so be it. As for the Trudeau, he still should not have taken that trip in my opinion. I feel for Tricia because folks here don't seem to tolerate any perspective but their own. Sad.
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