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Former Wildrose leader Brian Jean didn’t want to comment specifically on Burns or her plan last week, save to say he’d like her to “have a second thought, reach out, and come back to the fold.” “I just think, as conservatives, we’re much stronger if we do things together, not divided,” he told the Journal.------------Julie Ali · University of Alberta Interesting that there are still some Wildrose Party folks who don't want to merge with the PCs. Good for them!. I encourage them to keep their values and create another political party. The UCP platform is an unknown quantity for voters and I am curious if middle of the road Conservatives will vote for them or not. Some of us -like myself voted NDP for the first time in our lives to get rid of the PCs. Now the Wildrose Party has done the odd thing of uniting with the PCs we just got rid of and where will we park our votes? The Alberta Party is one possibility. The Liberal Party won't be a possibility since no one in Alberta votes Liberal. And the Wildrose Party 2.0 seems to be a second possibility since it lacks the PC folks.---



So many choices and only one vote. And it won't go to the NDP or the UCP with the PCs in it. Can't see why the Wildrose folks had to go join up with the Ebola Party of the PCs.


Interesting times for voters who will never vote for any political party with the incompetent PCs in it.



http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/bid-to-create-wildrose-2-0-gets-underway

Bid to create Wildrose 2.0 gets underway

Published on: July 31, 2017 | Last Updated: July 31, 2017 9:33 AM MDT
Former Wildrose leader Brian Jean stands near his campaign RV after launching his bid to become leader of the new United Conservative Party, at an event near Airdrie on Monday, July 24, 2017.
Former Wildrose leader and United Conservative Party leadership candidate Brian Jean, shown at a campaign stop near Airdrie July 24, 2017, would prefer if disillusioned Wildrosers intent on starting a new party would come back to the fold. GAVIN YOUNG / POSTMEDIA
Inside a mystery location in Nisku this past weekend, a group of around 50 disillusioned Wildrosers met to reanimate the party they love.
The Wildrose Party is all but gone now — membership has merged with the Progressive Conservatives, its MLAs have crossed to the new United Conservative Party, and its leader has resigned to pursue a bid to become leader of the UCP.
The meeting was closed to the media.
Marilyn Burns, president of the Edmonton-Southwest Wildrose constituency association board, said last week it was only for those “very interested” in or “very committed” to the idea of forming Wildrose 2.0.
What about a reporter very interested as an impartial observer?
A chuckle, and, “No, but good try.”

Getting the party started

This was billed as more than simply a meeting to gauge interest in a new party — Burns insists that appetite exists.
Instead, it was a gathering to get the ball rolling — form an organizational committee, figure out a party name, get a society registered, set up a bank account, decide on a constitution, and pencil in a date for an annual general meeting in the fall.
She says the new party — like the old — will use the Wildrose constitution as its bylaws, with only a few tweaks to things like candidate selection and reducing the number of members required to set up a constituency association.

‘Come back to the fold’

There are three choices to register a party in Alberta — get three sitting MLAs to do it, run candidates in half of the province’s constituencies in a general election, or submit a petition in which 7,868 registered Alberta voters support the party’s creation.
When the Wildrose Party was formed a decade ago, it went with the third option.
Burns was part of the crew that gathered those signatures. It took them eight months, but she doesn’t seem daunted by the task of doing it again.
Not content to rely on signatures, Burns and the organizational committee formed Saturday have their eye on five “good, principled” Wildrose MLAs they think might support a new party.
Burns won’t name names, but says one has already been approached.  
Former Wildrose leader Brian Jean didn’t want to comment specifically on Burns or her plan last week, save to say he’d like her to “have a second thought, reach out, and come back to the fold.”
“I just think, as conservatives, we’re much stronger if we do things together, not divided,” he told the Journal.
“I would encourage her to come back and fight the fight. The more Albertans get involved in the united … movement, the better off we all are.”
But Burns and her crew are sticking to their guns.
“Never,” she said, will they align with the UCP.
“Coming back to the fold means doing what we’re doing, because we’re using the constitution and the policies of Wildrose — every single principle, every single object,” she said.
This week, the group will put some possible Wildrose 2.0 party names to Elections Alberta and see what sticks.
The plan is for a second organizational meeting in August and an AGM in October.
“Time is of the essence,” Burns said.
Meanwhile, another new political movement in the province, Alberta Together, which includes Alberta Party Leader and MLA Greg Clark and former PC president Katherine O’Neill, held a meeting with about 100 people last Monday after the UCP introduced its interim leader, Nathan Cooper.
egraney@postmedia.com




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Julie Ali · 
Interesting that there are still some Wildrose Party folks who don't want to merge with the PCs. Good for them!. I encourage them to keep their values and create another political party. The UCP platform is an unknown quantity for voters and I am curious if middle of the road Conservatives will vote for them or not.

Some of us -like myself voted NDP for the first time in our lives to get rid of the PCs. Now the Wildrose Party has done the odd thing of uniting with the PCs we just got rid of and where will we park our votes?

The Alberta Party is one possibility. The Liberal Party won't be a possibility since no one in Alberta votes Liberal. And the Wildrose Party 2.0 seems to be a second possibility since it lacks the PC folks.
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Edward Redshaw · 
What is wrong with these people? The UCP platform when Brian Jean becomes leader is essentially the same as the original Wildrose platform. They are not going to achieve anything. They should either stick with the UCP or better still Join and Vote for The Alberta Party.
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 10:53am
Jerry Steele
Alberta Party = Liberal Party
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 11:16am
Edward Redshaw · 
Jerry Steele You are totally mistaken. People, like you, are using this comparison to the doomed Liberal Party to try and discredit The Alberta Party. Alberta Together and The Alberta Party are currently woking on a platform. Please give them a chance before promoting this misleading propaganda.
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Wendy Rudiger · 
Maybe people don't care for Kenney's ethics or lack there of. Says something about Jean working with the likes of Kenney.
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Donald Wiwad · 
Edward Redshaw ; Wrong again. Alberta together are just Cons that know that they will not win the election if U C P and think that they have a better chance to the trough if they high-jack The Alberta Party.
LikeReply5Jul 31, 2017 12:10pm
Edward Redshaw · 
Wendy Rudiger Kenney will be gone when Brian Jean wins the leadership.
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Edward Redshaw · 
Donald Wiwad Alberta Together is not a political party. It is simply a movement to support The Alberta Party in the Centre.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 12:18pm
George McCrea · 
Agreed. Now we must tolerate their stupidity while they ignore our reality
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 1:22pm
Thomas Glover · 
If Jean becomes leader the UCP will implode and the NDP will win another term. Jean has no leadership skills to speak of, has a lacklustre/horrible record as 'leader' of the opposition and deserves to be shown the door. He has been milking the public teat long enough. He should go to the private sector and get a job more suited to his lack of talents.
LikeReply5Jul 31, 2017 1:30pm
David John Fraser
"What is wrong with these people?"
Maybe they don't want to sell out their personal ideologies to a regressive, bigoted party that has one mandate: oust the NDP.
If Jean wins, Kenney's cadre of FRWN's will probably take their ball and go home crying, and if Kenney wins WR'ers will have to watch as the UCP goes down the US GOP road, raping and pillaging the economy and the poor for their own benefit. Either way they have no plan and little chance of unseating the NDP now, and will have even less of a chance come election time after 4 years of economic prosperity, following the disaster that was 40 years of Cons ruling.
LikeReply10Jul 31, 2017 3:18pm
Justin Pomeroy
Yeah those darn cons... Making this the most profitable province in Canada and all. The only one to have no tax only to be suggested by the NDP. Of there's one thing the PC's can do is manage books. If there's one thing the liberals can do it's spend. If there's one thing the NDP can do I'd like to hear about it sometime.... (before you argue this. I realize they Mde some stupid decisions with money. But I'm basing my opinion on my overall view. And also I barely have an opinion on politics though I do follow them. I try to have as little to say about it because why waste the time and energy on it.)
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 3:53pmEdited
David John Fraser
Justin it wasn't the Cons that made the province rich, it's the vast fields of bitumen up north that did that. Alberta could be even better off right now if the Cons hadn't spent poorly and mismanaged oil profits during 40 years of arrogant complacency. Heritage fund looks like my bank account, and that's not a good thing lol.
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 4:45pmEdited
Jerry Steele
Lol David Fraser you hypocrite! Those "vast fields" of oil also could have made Venezuela rich but for some reason it didn't. Oh that's right .... SOCIALISM!
When you "lol", do the gaps in your teeth show? Meth is addictive David!
LikeReply3Jul 31, 2017 5:06pm
Evone Monteith · 
Works at Retired
Edward Redshaw UCP leadership thing is a sham - Kenney intends to win, and he will win the same way he won the takeover of the PCs and th Unity vote
LikeReply5Jul 31, 2017 6:20pm
Glenn Schneider
Wendy Rudiger you are a union member, just guessing. NDP then. The numbers don't lie, NDP have to go. Period.
LikeReply3Jul 31, 2017 6:57pm
Harvey Bishop
Justin Pomeroy Those darn Cons. Doing the most costliest scandals in Canadian history. That's what the Alberta PCs, in the last 30 years, were good for. That, and also failing to properly maintain infrastructure. The Alberta PCs were the ones who put in taxes of various sorts in Alberta.
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 7:31pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Edward Redshaw ; Is it not disgrunted Cons that want to invade and take over the Alberta party? Just asking.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 7:37pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Glenn Schneider ;The UCP said that they cannot wait! It is they that have to go. lol
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 7:40pm
Barb Meyers Tremblay
David John Fraser well we still
Have vast fields and we have a huge deficit. Hmmm.
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 8:58pm
Dar Dealmeida
Evone Monteith
Yes dirty and corrupt....best con artists in the province
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 9:39pm
Evone Monteith · 
Works at Retired
Glenn Schneider your numbers must be alternative numbers - you know those type of numbers that the Cons and WR seem to prefer - the numbers that make their gullible followers all angry and hateful and deaf to real facts and numbers
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 9:39pm
Glenn Schneider
Harvey Bishop 4 credit downgrades? NDP are idiots.
LikeReplyJul 31, 2017 9:42pm
Bruce Pettigrew · 
Justin Pomeroy You seem to be suffering from some kind of nostesia where you don't remember the facts of the past but only some vague feel good memory. The PC's were only able to 'balance' the books because of rising oil prices. They could not do it when prices crashed and reacted by slash and burn cuts. Remember the infrastucture deficit of the Klien years? Closed hospital beds? Overcrowded schools because no new ones were buit? Rising wait times in ERs? Deficit budgets of Prentice, Redford and Stelmach?
LikeReply6Jul 31, 2017 10:35pm
David John Fraser
Jerry Steele you don't even know what socialism is.
LikeReply3Jul 31, 2017 10:48pm
Julie Ali · 
Evone Monteith This does seem like a possibility. But winning the leadership doesn't mean anything until you win the election.
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Michael DesAulniers · 
Lol Jerry Steele doesn't know what much of anything is. But he is insistent on letting everyone else know that.
LikeReply4Aug 1, 2017 8:48am
Wally Coombs · 
Stick your stinking Alberta party😡
LikeReply1Aug 1, 2017 10:26am
Dylan Ray · 
You're right Glenn Schneider, numbers don't lie.

So remind me again which province, under NDP governance, has the fastest growing economy in Canada? I'll wait.
LikeReply5Aug 1, 2017 10:31am
Donald Wiwad · 
David John Fraser ;The bitumen up north may have gotten the credit.. But it was the natural gas at $14.00 a unit that powered the economy.
LikeReply1Aug 1, 2017 4:54pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Jerry Steele ; Jeery, the oil industry in Venezuela was in complete control of American and world Corporations. They shipped the oil out of the country freely and shipped products like oil and gasoline back at very inflated rates. Just as Americans are doing to us. Venezuela was not a socialist country, it is a dictatorship controled by oil companies.
LikeReply1Aug 1, 2017 5:02pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Dylan Ray ; I do not think that Glenn reads current news. He prefers to read and re-read past 30 year old history.
LikeReply1Aug 1, 2017 5:08pm
Jerry Steele
How's everyone enjoying the latest poll? It's a beauty!!!
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 6:36pm
Linda Feland-Swityk
Edward Redshaw isn't Alberta Together one of those PAC's
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Linda Feland-Swityk
Jerry Steele you mean the poll without a party leader.
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Dylan Ray · 
I more so enjoyed the debut of the Alberta Advantage Party, Jerry Steele.

Also, remind me again how accurate the polls were in predicting the 2015 election?
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Edward Redshaw · 
Brian Jean is ahead of her in Alberta polls.

She will be gone in 2019.

Premier Rachel Notley tied for second as Canada's least popular premier: Poll
James Wood
Thursday, June 22, 2017, 10:07 AM
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Harvey Bishop
Edward Redshaw The election polls are about as accurate as a clock with dead batteries in it. The polls said that we would have either a majority Alberta PC or a majority Wildrose government, before the last provincial election in 2015. How did that work out?
LikeReplyJul 31, 2017 7:52pm
Edward Redshaw · 
Harvey Bishop I and many others voted for the NDP. Big shock when they hauled down their flag and hoisted their true colours. They had an opportunity and they have blown it. Next election they will be gone for all time.
UnlikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 9:06pm
Dar Dealmeida
Edward Redshaw
Ummm how did they blow it? Let me guess you didn't like Bill 6 - too bad it's not going any where - it was a ferderal direction- Prentice just wanted to wait till after the election
You didn't like the carbon levy - too bad it's happening federally any how and Trudeau is very impressed with Notley's plan so we are ahead of the game. Did I mention that it has already added diversity to the economy - Corporations in the Utility sector are already working on getting ahead of the game with biofuels, synthetic fuels, NG technology, hyro and battery development. We have two new Petrochemical companies moving into Alberta, tons of green technology and jobs are opening up. This is the same success many European companies have had since they implemented the carbon tax years ago
Maybe you do not like infrastructure spending right now and would perfer it happen when the interest rate is high and construction companies are not competetive and workers are not so available - maybe you do not have any health issues so you do not see the hospitals busting at the seams or maybe you have no grandchildren in school - outdated schools - costing more to maintain then to build new
Heh maybe you don't like how the Health Minister has found numerous ways to pay our fine Doctors and Dentists the same as other provinces instead of double..
Or maybe you think the oil companies do not like the NDP - WRONG - that is just dear mongering
Oh maybe you don't like all the work Notley did at the marine land or with the PM to get our oil to tide?
You do know our provincial debt is only 5% of the GDP - that puts us way ahead of Sask right?
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 10:04pmEdited
Dayton Nabess
I would like to see a poll now that the party has merged, so many splinters and disgruntled long term members leaving. Even a poll after the leader is elected will be different.
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 8:44am
Julie Ali · 
Dar Dealmeida I would say that the NDP blew it in terms of the continuing care system overhaul. We expected changes for the most vulnerable seniors and handicapped citizens in the system but were given only cosmetic changes. The fact is the poor performance with reference to seniors in the continuing care system was an eye popping revelation to voters like myself who voted NDP to kick out the PCs and to get change in government. We did get rid of the incompetent PCs but we have had no change in the culture or performance at the GOA.

I guess power changes folks. The NDP are no different than the PCs. They hired their own as soon as they could just like the PCs. They changed laws that they gained from such as donations from corporations but did not keep their promise to create 2,000 long term care beds in the public sector. Their supporters tell us to be patient and that there is no money but guess what? There is money. More than a billion was wasted to pay power companies for the dumb decision to stop using coal. Meanwhile we need a cap on electricity prices because of this dumb decision. The climate leadership plan has no sort of leadership in it that I can detect. I mean how do you get a change in consumption of fossil fuel by giving folks back the carbon tax money? Where is the leadership in this matter? Then there was a $235 million "loan" to big oil to get their orphan well program going; a further $30 million provided by the federal government for economic stimulation was wasted to make the "loan" interest free for the industry. How is subsidizing the oil and gas industry to decrease their liabilities our responsibility? And why are we bailing them out when they are sitting on billions of dollars in assets and are making profits? What are we? The Bank of the Oil Industry? Sure the oil companies like the NDP. They are getting more money from them than from the PCs who only wasted $30 million on the orphan well program rather than the major sums we're wasting now.

The health minister has been less than productive in her work. Why else would she provide a directive for AHS about banning and retribution in the health care system and the continuing care system? Can't she see that the Trespass to Premises legislation is counter to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Why is the GOA legitimizing the use of a law that the PCs created that harms the most defenceless seniors to keep them separated from family members as in the case of the Tucker family in Grande Prairie?
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Stephen Tucker added 4 new photos — with Tammilee Rideout-Tucker.
April 27 ·
PLEASE SHARE!!!! It breaks by heart to have my mom in a emergency room bed were at least dad can now visit her . A care home in grande prairie has abused my mom for the last time . We are now taking up space in an emergency room while awaiting for a doctor to help us find a spot . The care home today slammed the door in my face as I tried to talk to them. As I had to remove mom s belongings out of there so the abuse can't continue. Dad fought with them for years with documentation and pics plenty of proof to put them under . But everyone turns a blind eye to the abuse and call it un founded . The judge without any looking at foundings or proof just say your banned and any further cost comes to dad? How does a retirement man pay for lawyer fees. I want this banning my dad from the care home for a full year without visiting rights to go viral . He has legal guardianship to be her voice from a court but means nothing . How does the justice system work ? She cannot speak for herself . Please share the shit outta this . Media here I come
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Maybe have a real review of the facts of performance before prattling on about the success of the NDP folks which in my opinion is nowhere in existence. A bumbling performance all around.But most especially deleterious for our seniors/handicapped citizens. The messes in the continuing care system are only matched by the failures in the child welfare system where we have #PanelPolitics replaces the Roundtable of Shame of the PCs. In Alberta nothing changes; even the spin is the same but just provided to us by a different group of politicians.
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Julie Ali · 
Edward Redshaw I agree with you Edward. I voted NDP once and I am done. The broken promise of continuing care was enough for me.
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Edward Redshaw · 
Kenney will be gone when Brian Jean wins the leadership,
Harvey Bishop
Edward Redshaw Brian Jean. The man who said in 2015 that he was opposed to the Wildrose merging with the NDP. Now he supports it. The man fiip flops on issues constantly. Brian Jean also made a misogynistic joke about beating up Rachel Notley for something that the Alberta PCs didn't get done. Brian Jean's political time is coming to an end.
LikeReplyJul 31, 2017 7:59pm
Trent Willis
Harvey Bishop facts not your biased opinion and made up stuff is important.
LikeReplyJul 31, 2017 8:37pm
Dar Dealmeida
the corrupt Jason Kenney has never lost an election --- he will eat Brian Jean up and spit him out so fast Brian won't even see it coming - that's how he operates LOL. You know when you have never held a real job, finished a post sec program - you will do what ever you can to hold onto the gravy job --- lie, cheat, robocall cover up...that's the con man Kenney...and that Derek Fildemouth will help him do it
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Michael DesAulniers · 
Trent Willis Don't know what planet you come from, but those are facts from Mr. Bishop
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Julie Ali · 
Dar Dealmeida No doubt Mr. Kenney has his supporters and possibly he could win the leadership but there is no guarantee he will be the next premier.
Citizens should avoid brand identification and focus on the performance. To date the PCs and the NDP folks have been equally abysmal in performance.
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Julie Ali · 
Harvey Bishop Brian Jean is a nice man. I don't think he is done. Never underestimate the power of a nice man.
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Edward Redshaw · 
There are some of you who are under some illusions as to the current state of Alberta. One commentor actually questioned my knowledge by asking if I was a grandfather with health issues or if I had grandchildren in falling apart schools.
Well the fact is that I am 82 years of age, have 11 grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren so I probably have more experience with the health and education systems than the vast manority of you reading this.

First, the govrrnment does not pay dentists you do unless you have insurance coverage or are over 65 years of age and have some procedures covered by seniors Blue Cross depending on your income.
The Health Minister is a failure. She selected a Health Board that that does absolutely nothing and an invisible, overpaid CEO in Albdrta Health Services (AHS). AHS is the largest government department with over 108,000 employees. Over 2,400 of them earn in excess of $126,000 with many of these earning over $200,000. Some departments have 4 Vice Presidents. The Health Minister refuses to overhaul this bloated bureaucracy.
The doctors and acute care are paid %35 more than the national average while Continuing Care is paid %21 less than the national average. Seniors are treated as a disposable, discadable liability under this Health Minister.
Wait time for specialists and procedures are unacceptable under this Health Minister's fragmented system.
Education is in chaos. Many aspects, Mathematics and Social Sciences especially are being overhauled by people out of touch with reality and having their own agenda not in the best interests of students and parents.
The debt is out of control and the government believes that their spending objectives are going to bring tremendous successes. Tons of money is going into subsidies and hidden expenses.
So all you hardcore NDP people, who, unlike myself as a former member, are living in fantasy land, please don't lecture me about all the good stuff happening until you research the truth.
The desperate Health Minister in disguise as Deputy Premier is out doorknocking with her team and scrambling for every photo opt she can. She is trying to save herself as the NDP go down under the UCP juggernaught in 2019.
I am now a member of The Alberta Party who I believe can be a credible opposition.
So all you people out there no longer Wildrose, Conservative, Liberal or NDP, Join and Vote for The Alberta Party.
Kyle D.W Wickstrom
Nothing wrong with a plethora of choices on the ballot. All the morons spouting off about vote splitting are either too stupid to comprehend just how many people actually voted for the NDP, or they're working to make sure albertans think they only have a choice between the NDP and the UCP. That isn't the case, and I plead for some of you to try to make an informed decision next time around
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Joan Zacharuk · 
I guess it depends what the electorate want . For many Albertans even the majority of us prefer a conservative government. We are well aware that too many splinter parties make a conservative majority much harder to attain. You must be NDP/Progressive. You display their trade mark perfectly. You name call and generally attempt to denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with you. It is one of the things Albertans detest about the NDP the most.
LikeReply12Jul 31, 2017 11:03am
Kyle D.W Wickstrom
I'm not, I'm a former wildrose member. I won't be throwing any support behind this new wildrose party as I'm over being a partisan, but would be more than happy to hear what they have to say should they gain party status.
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James M Ginter · 
Joan Zacharuk you crack me up bame calling wow you should listen to some of your right wing friends. The left vote has been split for years between liberal and ndp and even the alberta party dont see us running to join the parties because we lost 1 election.
LikeReply6Jul 31, 2017 11:15am
Julie Ali · 
Joan Zacharuk I think you are right that we want a Conservative government. There is plenty of name calling in both the NDP and Conservative sides. I think it is useful to avoid brand identification and look at the performance. The PCs were incompetent and entitled. I was hoping the Wildrose would avoid joining up with this Ebola Party but they went ahead and did the unification. It's too bad and makes voting in the next election more difficult.
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Simone M. A. Demers · 
Joan Zacharuk, an honest progressive does not name call.
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 11:27am
Ray Wilk
Joan Zacharuk your comments appear to denegrate anyone who disgrees with you. Kyle was suggesting that people learn and understand rather than just follow. How can that be bad advice. Ok, maybe it is considered bad advice by a partisan reformer hack who denegrates anyone that has a different point of view. Joan do you ever add anything to a conversation other than insults and party talking points?
LikeReply6Jul 31, 2017 11:31am
Donald Wiwad · 
Kyle, what is wrong with giving Albertans 3 or 4 choices of which right wing party is the least extreme?
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Kyle D.W Wickstrom
Nothing? I like a variety of choices at the ballot box
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 11:57am
Donald Wiwad · 
Joan Zacharuk ; Joan, wrong again. Facts please.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 11:57am
Kyle D.W Wickstrom
The anti NDP right have used the "vote splitting" boogie man to scare people into thinking that any new party with conservative values might end up with giving the NDP another win. It's nothing more than a scare tactic meant to drive support towards yet another big C Conservative party in Alberta. It drives me nuts
LikeReply3Jul 31, 2017 12:02pm
Carter Bos
Joan Zacharuk I'm not NDP but I got to say the conservatives are pretty darn good at name calling, in fact they probably wrote the rule book. Nutley and Trudope.....for starters. I got to ask...why do you take such pride in being not progressive?
LikeReply9Jul 31, 2017 1:02pm
Glenn Schneider
An informed decision would have been anything but NDP, and the proof is, well, proof. Check the numbers. They simply don't lie. NDP does, but numbers don't.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 6:56pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Joan Zacharuk : I wander whcih party still has not learned to spell the premiers name? I am not sure, is it the Cons or the wildones, or the UCP ( ha ha ) ?
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 7:44pm
Dayton Nabess
Well it looks like we will have at least 3 more parties to make a choice on, all these parties that have left the merge and starting off. Many more will leave if their leader is not elected. Did Notley come up with this merge? Cause it great for the NDP. BTW 2 years for the next vote. Anything can change. Look what happened with the NDP. So don't count your chickens just yet.
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 8:31am
Barb Meyers Tremblay
Donald Wiwad fact...that was not really a fact post...more of just an opinion.
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Barb Meyers Tremblay
Dayton Nabess if you want to follow this crack pot you go right ahead.
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Donald Wiwad · 
Joan Zacharuk ; Yes the NDP name call. It must be the NDP that spell the premiers name with a "u" and not an "o". Here are just some things that the NDP name called themselves: Stupid, antipipeline, Socialists, devoid of common-sense, devoid of leadership, idiots, ignorant, job killers, gullible, union members, hypocrite, regressive, bigoted, commie, fascist, looney...... need I say more?
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Linda Feland-Swityk
Joan Zacharuk I think it is the opposite. It is the Conservative supporters that call names
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Faye Mock · 
I highly doubt that Albertans' will risk another NDP government. If 95% of those members who voted both for the Wildrose and Conservatives made the decision to unite, then I do not believe there are significant numbers to be instrumental in vote splitting.
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Pat Ireland · 
Except that 95% of the people who voted either WR or PC in the last election did not vote for the merger. First of all, less than 60% of eligible members bothered to vote at all. Second, why would you assume that everyone who votes for a party in an election is necessarily also a member of that party? Third, the party leaders were openly encouraging people to join both parties so that they could vote twice, which made the similarities in the two results rather amusing (of course the numbers were the same - it was the same people voting in both referenda).

And based on the comments on this article, the infighting in this new "united" party has already started. It'll be interesting to see if this newfound unity manages to survive the first leadership convention.
Reply10Jul 31, 2017 1:52pm
Faye Mock · 
I indicated that 95% of the members who voted were in favour of uniting the parties.
Reply1Jul 31, 2017 2:18pm
David John Fraser
What is the "risk" in voting for NDP? Economic recovery? Fair wages and working conditions for all Albertans? Progressive social programs? Education? Responsible environmental stewardship?
You're right, that sounds way too risky and horrible.
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Devin Artzen · 
Exactly 95 percent of both parties chose unity.
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 6:07pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Faye Mock; Do you understand that less than 2% of voting Albertans voted and that 95% of 2% is a very small number.
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 7:57pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Devin Artzen ; Devon you are wrong again. Math is hard ! 95% of both parties did NOT choose unity. Only 55% of party members who could vote, voted. Seems like most voted twice, I would guess. Of those that bothered to vote once or twice 95% voted for unity. So somewhere about 30% to 40% of those who could vote voted for unity. Could be even less . Depending on how many voted twice. So that leaves a large number of both parties that did not vote for unity.
LikeReply3Jul 31, 2017 8:08pm
Dayton Nabess
Do you really understand how the numbers actually worked in the merge, Faye? Or do you just see the 95% and thing yes, we can take Alberta? lol
LikeReply2Aug 1, 2017 8:34am
Edward Redshaw · 
David John Fraser There are some of you who are under some illusions as to the current state of Alberta. One commentor actually questioned my knowledge by asking if I was a grandfather with health issues or if I had grandchildren in falling apart schools.
Well the fact is that I am 82 years of age, have 11 grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren so I probably have more experience with the health and education systems than the vast manority of you reading this.

First, the govrrnment does not pay dentists you do unless you have insurance coverage or are over 65 years of age and have some procedures covered by seniors Blue Cross depending on your income.
The Health Minister is a failure. She selected a Health Board that that does absolutely nothing and an invisible, overpaid CEO in Albdrta Health Services (AHS). AHS is the largest government department with over 108,000 employees. Over 2,400 of them earn in excess of $126,000 with many of these earning over $200,000. Some departments have 4 Vice Presidents. The Health Minister refuses to overhaul this bloated bureaucracy.
The doctors and acute care are paid %35 more than the national average while Continuing Care is paid %21 less than the national average. Seniors are treated as a disposable, discadable liability under this Health Minister.
Wait time for specialists and procedures are unacceptable under this Health Minister's fragmented system.
Education is in chaos. Many aspects, Mathematics and Social Sciences especially are being overhauled by people out of touch with reality and having their own agenda not in the best interests of students and parents.
The debt is out of control and the government believes that their spending objectives are going to bring tremendous successes. Tons of money is going into subsidies and hidden expenses.
So all you hardcore NDP people, who, unlike myself as a former member, are living in fantasy land, please don't lecture me about all the good stuff happening until you research the truth.
The desperate Health Minister in disguise as Deputy Premier is out doorknocking with her team and scrambling for every photo opt she can. She is trying to save herself as the NDP go down under the UCP juggernaught in 2019.
I am now a member of The Alberta Party who I believe can be a credible opposition.
So all you people out there no longer Wildrose, Conservative, Liberal or NDP, Join and Vote for The Alberta Party.
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 2:58pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Edward Redshaw ; Edward, are you aware that most of these VPs you are ranting about are under long term contracts, signed before the ND were elected and have very nice buy-out clauses. In one sentence you blame the government for not doing ANYTHING and in the next you blame them for trying to correct the problems in education. Nothing new has yet been set in education, but you already know that all that is being discussed is so wrong. Have a good day.
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 5:36pm
Julie Ali · 
David John Fraser The risk is we will be broke for decades. The Heritage Trust Fund will be the next source of revenue. There is no attempt made by the NDP to cut the bloated salaries, expenses and pensions of the executive staff at agencies such as AHS. Surely we don't need to be paying over a half a million dollars for a CEO for AHS and similar pay for the Covenant Health CEO? Surelly it is possible to get cheaper help? I guess there is a way to get cheaper help but it won't be via the PCs or the NDPCs.
LikeReply19 mins
Joan Zacharuk · 
Perhaps these are the liberal/NDP infiltrators still trying to split the vote on the right. Come on people isn't this how we ended up with the NDP in the first place. Keep your eye on the ball. Albertans are counting on you.
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 10:37am
Phillip Liesemer · 
This is exactly what Albertans are counting on. As long as the right simply keeps this up, we will never have to worry about them getting into power.

I want to thank Jason and Brian personally for the great work they are doing campaigning for the NDP reelection.
Reply30Jul 31, 2017 10:42am
Susan V Thompson · 
They're dyed in the wool Wildrose Joan. I know it's hard to believe, but you can't blame every single thing that happens on the NDP.
Reply17Jul 31, 2017 2:10pmEdited
Ray Wilk
Susan V Thompson oh yes she can and by George, Joan will this is what ideologues do lol.
Reply9Jul 31, 2017 11:13am
Donald Wiwad · 
Joan Zacharuk: Having a bad day? Wrong again Joan. NDP members cannot belong to a second party. And wrong again, this is not how we ended up with the NDP in the first place! I could explain that to you again, but I just cannot learn it for you!
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 12:06pm
Kevin Hepburn · 
Joan Zacharuk a little bit paranoid? All the signs of a right winger lol
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 12:54pm
Scott Duhig
Kevin Hepburn
Of course it must be "the enemy"...
Conservative politics are all about power and money, screw the people if they don't have the power.
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 1:22pm
Dolan Ferbey · 
How we ended up with the NDP is because we had the Conseratives in power for over 40 yrs!
LikeReply8Jul 31, 2017 1:31pm
Dar Dealmeida
Joan Zacharuk
You are extremely ridiculous - alt right ridiculous! Only the Cons ream up conspiracy theories...Trump like
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 7:44pm
Harvey Bishop
Joan Zacharuk How the NDP got into power was because the Alberta PCs were involved with the most costliest scandals in Canadian history in the last 30 years. They wasted in between $80 billion to $100 billion on multitudes of very costly scandals. The Alberta PCs also didn't maintain infrastructure in the last 25-30 years. This left Alberta with a $26 billion infrastructure debt. Also, in the last 30 years the Alberta PCs allowed rip off royalty rates for our oil, depriving Alberta of $200 billion. In the last 30 years, the Alberta PCs virtually depleted the Heritage Savings Trust Fund and left hardly anything in it. The Alberta PCs, in the last 30 years gave poor tax rates to corporations in Alberta and let them take even more of our wealth away, outside of Alberta. The Wildrose have only proven to be clueless and incompetent Alberta PC clones. They only flip flop and slip up on a regular basis. No actual policies or plans from them. That's why they lost. The UCP will fail too.
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 7:44pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Harvey Bishop ; Harvey, good try, but do you really think that Joan will understand at last?
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 7:51pm
Timothy Anderson · 
You "ended up with the NDP" because Albertans voted for them, not because anyone from the NDP sowed discontent in the PC ranks.

Perhaps you have forgotten that the PC government was having a few problems - including some problems managing the economy. Prentice had floated the idea of a *gasp* sales tax; Prentice and Smith had done their floorcrossing "merger" in a manner that offended voters.

The NDP were offering a conservative approach (low taxes, smart debt) under a name that stood for, and has continued to stand for, integrity. As a rookie goverment with many novices, they made some mi...See More
LikeReply4Aug 1, 2017 8:10am
Julie Ali · 
Harvey Bishop Might be useful to note at this time that the NDP have wasted a ton of cash too. A billion or so for the power companies. The $235 million plus $30 million for orphan wells for big oil. The huge infrastructure costs-some of which were required but the rest are sort of pie in the sky such as the hospital that won't happen in Edmonton south because there is no money for the hospital. The waste of money to refurbish the Misericordia Hospital which isn't a public asset but belongs to Covenant Health; why are we paying for the renovation and expansion of a contracted care provider in Alberta? For that matter why are we paying for half the infrastructure costs of land developers in the continuing care system? The PCs may have started these games but the NDPCs are continuing them. http://www.health.alberta.ca/.../CC-ASLI-Grant-Process...

http://www.health.alberta.ca/.../CC-ASLI-Grants-Project...
Affordable Supportive Living Initiative
2014–15 project list
October 29, 2015
LikeReply3 mins
Gord Tolton · 
How about we all learn to read platforms, talk to candidates and think for ourselves before we all go running for the safety of one tribe or another? We might meet some good people, learn to stop demonizing, and wake up with a candidate or a government that we actually voted for, and might represent us. But that's okay, Alberta and Canada, let's keep waving these team flags, and wonder why our name isn't on the trophy when our teams wins, or doesn't.
LikeReply20Jul 31, 2017 11:00am
Vernon Wise
What?? Logical, reasonable and sensible comments are not allowed here! Please read the NP terms and conditions on comments. 
Reply1Jul 31, 2017 2:09pm
Gord Tolton · 
Vernon Wise Sorry. I"ll try again. Ahem.

Commie fascist loony left right wing nut bars! Bilderberg, Koch Brothers, Soros!! Wrrraaaack!!

Better?
ReplyJul 31, 2017 3:33pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Vernon Wise ; If logical, reasonable and sensible comments are not allowed here, is it reasonble to conclude that "Wise" comments should not be allowed here either?
Reply2Aug 1, 2017 7:29amEdited
Michael DesAulniers · 
Vernon Wise: Vern, Vern, Vern. Not so wise.
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 8:58am
Wendy Rudiger · 
I think Brian Jean has it backwards when he says "Come Back to the fold". He's the one who left!!
UnlikeReply17Jul 31, 2017 10:01am
Anna Lori Pears
No he didn't. We voted on this. 95% approval in the vote means he walked away? Seriously? lol
ReplyJul 31, 2017 12:47pm
Dean Cail · 
Anna Lori Pears seriously? Math is hard. When over 40% of members didn't cast a vote, that's a poor participation award
Reply3Jul 31, 2017 1:19pm
David John Fraser
He joined a different party. That's walking away.
Reply3Jul 31, 2017 4:25pm
Dar Dealmeida
Anna Lori Pears
In case you didn't get the newsflash - Brian Jean agreed to fold and join up with the very corrupt con artist - Jason Kenney
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 9:49pm
Barb Meyers Tremblay
Dean Cail omg if you want to call out numbers...if they wanted to vote then vote...they knew it was happening...it's quite different in the federal election when the vote in the west means less than nothing. Vote decided before it gets past the MB/ON.
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 10:11am
Barb Meyers Tremblay
Dar Dealmeida nice fake acct Dar. Lol
LikeReplyAug 1, 2017 10:12am
David John Fraser
It's called privacy settings Barb, it keeps people from creeping your profile looking for ad hominem ammunition. You should look into it unless you want everyone to know that you're a nickleback fan (barf). Hide your shame!
LikeReply1Aug 1, 2017 12:51pm
Julie Ali · 
Anna Lori Pears I guess there was a majority of folks who voted for the union but one has to wonder what about the folks who did not vote?
LikeReply1 min
J.E. Molnar
Is it just me, or do you get the feeling nothing will ever satisfy right wing proponents? After raging on for two years about uniting the right and finally accomplishing the task, a new disgruntled group emerges from the ashes. After the alt-right UCP, how many degrees/levels/iterations of right-wing ideology are there? Is this Wildrose 2.0 now the new ultra-right?
LikeReply6Jul 31, 2017 1:25pm
Kilgore Trautmann · 
Righter than right! It's Hyper-right! MAGA right! It's so right it can't be wrong and that's just Jason Kenny! Imagine what a new Wildrose party can be! It's the second coming!
ReplyJul 31, 2017 5:40pm
Barb Meyers Tremblay
Kilgore Trautmann your opinion means nothing...take care of your own Prov first...ON is the black hole of Canada.
ReplyAug 1, 2017 10:17am
Ray Wilk
Extremist on the right and moderates at the centre have joined to form one party and eliminate the vote split. Now we will head down the road of creating the Wildrose 2.0 and PC 3.0 along with the UPC and Alberta party we may as well throw the Liberals in the lot since Dr. Swan will support anyone on anything especially if they are right wing and against the ruling party. Seems like the vote split is just changing from 2 parties to 4 possibly 5. Go UPC your desire for power is laughable, your ability to play checkers is masterful lol.
LikeReply14Jul 31, 2017 11:10am
Peter Teskey · 
Maybe if these parties came out with some written policies the people know what there supporting name calling and been worried about the colour of socks doesn't cut it
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 11:45am
Trent Willis
You can't read the platforms on there webpage? Internet does other things besides Facebook...
ReplyJul 31, 2017 8:35pm
Barb Meyers Tremblay
The party is days old...give them a chance
ReplyAug 1, 2017 11:50am
George Clark · 
A little history lesson is in order. Marilyn Burns is from the riding that nominated Pastor Alan Hunsberger of "Lake Of Fire" blog post infamy. The Wildrose candidate that Danielle Smith should have yanked rather than letting his comments tarnish the party name. So if that is the crew that are refusing to join the UCP then Emma Graney and Graham Thompson and all the MSM reporters can finally inform their readers that the UCP obviously isn't a comfortable place for any intolerance.
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 9:59pm
Barbara Johnston · 
So you dont like free speech ? Probably be lots of tolerance...tolerance is a progressive thing because progressives arent capable of love
Reply23 hrsEdited
Kevin Hepburn · 
Well that didn't take long I figured there would be people unhappy with how the vote went especially with over 40% not caring enough to even cast a vote lol the right wing implodes themselves again
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 12:56pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Kevin, because many people voted twice, we do not know how many, and since the # of votes cast was only 55%, is it not possible to conclude that LESS than 50% of the members were interested enough to cast a vote and therefore, much less than 50%, could be as low as 30% of possible voters voted for unity??? Just asking?
ReplyJul 31, 2017 8:20pm
Doug MacDonald · 
Well I for one will never vote for a Conservative in this province again Getty was the last one I gave my vote to we would have been so much better off in this province if the Liberals under Decore had won the society would be better they left such a mess for the NDP to clean up and they are doing a good job it will just take time
LikeReply6Jul 31, 2017 9:10pm
Julie Ali · 
Sure the PCs were incompetent but the NDPCs aren't much better.
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Darren TB Keeler
Idiots. They'll never see my vote.
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 10:11amEdited
Luke Salomons · 
So who are you going to vote for ndp again what a loser
ReplyJul 31, 2017 10:44am
Darren TB Keeler
No, the UCP. Try to keep up.
Reply2Jul 31, 2017 10:53am
Donald Wiwad · 
Darren TB Keeler ; If UCP, does it smell yet?
ReplyJul 31, 2017 12:14pm
Darren TB Keeler
No worse than when you sh@t your pants Donnie.
LikeReplyJul 31, 2017 1:14pm
Donald Wiwad · 
Darren TB Keeler ; You seem experienced on how things smell when you sh@t your pants Dar'y.
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 8:25pm
Laura MacRae · 
Apparently the will of grassroots no longer matters to these people. They used to say that differentiated the WR from other parties. A 95% vote to unify apparently means nothing to them. I suspect that any MLA's who go this route will pay a heavy price in 2019.
LikeReply1Aug 1, 2017 1:12am
Steven Owen · 
The idea of crediting the NDP for fixing Alberta's economy is completely is ridiculous and comical. Name one thing they have done to fix the economy. It's much easier to name 29 ways the NDP has harmed the Alberta economy.

People need to consider how many of the infrastructure projects are purely hypothetical. The new Edmonton Hospital, highway, LRT projects are hypothetically promised. The vast majority of projects are not funded and don't have any hard timelines to fund them either. The NDP is cutting piles rain cheques with no real plan how we're going to pay anything.

Is the UPC perfect. Hell No! God help is considering the Alternative. It's most likely Jason Kenny will lead the party. It would be a big mistake to let Brian Jean lead the party going forward.
LikeReply1Aug 1, 2017 10:42am
Lee Stowell · 
Politics should be about compromising to do what is right. Wild rose 2.0 is about as relevant as Alberta First and Alberta Alliance and will suffer the same fate.
LikeReply4Jul 31, 2017 11:51am
Reid Stevenson · 
What is right is a view that changes colours depending who's eyes you look through. Politics should never be a game, but always be about the people first, before corporate handouts.
Reply2Jul 31, 2017 2:27pm
Timothy Anderson · 
"Come back to the fold."? They didn't leave the fold - the fold left them. They know the likelihood of Brian Jean being elected leader of the UCP is small - Kamp Kenney is convinced they have anointed the next Premier. It will be interesting to see how many Wildrosers who were in favour of the merger in principle are less in favour when Kenney takes the helm.
Joan Zacharuk · 
Have you seen the latest polls? If the provincial election were held today the UCP would hold a comfortable majority. Seems uniting the right , not splitting our vote, makes all the difference. From minority to majority. Well done UCP.
Julie Ali · 
I would not start celebrating yet. Remember the last election? Folks like myself aren't going to vote for the entitled PCs ever again.
LikeReply17 mins
Glenn Schneider
Easy folks, this is heavily fostered by the NDP. Don't get too caught up in it.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 6:54pm
Harvey Bishop
Glenn Schneider This has nothing to do with the NDP. I'm a centrist and am witnessing the right crumble and collapse in Alberta.
ReplyJul 31, 2017 7:54pm
Glenn Schneider
Phhht whatever Harvey, go ahead, make an argument to not vote UPC. And if not, who are you going to vote for?
ReplyJul 31, 2017 8:23pm
Jimmy James
They already know the Unstable Clown Posse(UPC) is going to be too moderate and stifled for True Wiidrosers to tolerate.
LikeReply19 hrsEdited
Harold Ingram · 
Works at Self employed
What a bunch of idiots. Split the vote and let the bimbo win again. Personally I would never ever vote for a party that is simply being formed because they were losers.
Julie Ali · 
This very disrespectful of Ms. Notley. She is obviously not what you call her since she managed to kick PC rump in the last election (with the help of voters like myself). Mind you since she has morphed into PC material she won't be able to repeat this victory.
LikeReply17 mins
Joanne Buhler
I think this is a better option than if there's any possibility of Kenney running a new UCP
LikeReply5Jul 31, 2017 10:21am
Jeremy Johnston · 
Wow the Conservatives look more united then ever! way to go Kenney! what a leader you truly are!! 
LikeReply3Jul 31, 2017 5:26pm
Thomas Glover · 
Wildrose 2.0? Does that mean they actually expect to be twice as horrible as the original?
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 1:31pm
Florence J. Sutherland · 
I wondered how long this would take.......sooner than I thought actually.
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 2:18pm
Dar Dealmeida
Appears some Wildrose Supporters are not happy with BJ tyiing himself in with the very corrupt Jason Kenney ...good for them. Its nice to know people are aware of his past.
Kilgore Trautmann · 
Wowee! It took a total eclipse of the sun to shove the Kenney off the front page of the: Edmoncton/Calgary Sun/herald/Journal who are all controlled by Postmedia and they in turn by bottom feeding American investor interests. Albertans be warned. These people will buy every media, and spend whatever it takes to defeat any attempt by real people to have a democracy.
Jason Lysyk
Accept the vote and give the new party a chance before you start spliting the vote again.
Freddie Biff · 
That's the spirit! We need more parties on the right—Albertans want choice!
Marie Frances McLeod
What a confused bunch!
LikeReply7Jul 31, 2017 10:34am
Trent Willis
Understatement. Lol
ReplyJul 31, 2017 8:37pm
Wendy Rudiger · 
Biggest Floor crossing EVER.
LikeReply6Jul 31, 2017 4:40pm
Barb Meyers Tremblay
Floor crossing?
ReplyAug 1, 2017 11:53am
Robert Michael
Good luck with that.
LikeReply2Jul 31, 2017 10:41am
Barbara Walker
Go ahead, make my day.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 10:59am
David Thomas · 
Works at Self-Employed
WAKE-UP
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 8:52pm
Doug Fisher · 
Works at Retired
Politics or egos in play. Maybe both.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 11:36am
Brandy Milbak
Ffs.
LikeReply1Jul 31, 2017 10:08am
Barb Meyers Tremblay
Nice fake acct.
ReplyAug 1, 2017 11:54am
M.j. Johnson
Get your act together and get rid of the NDP

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