Tuesday, June 13, 2017

Edmonton Journal 13 hrs · Graham Thomson: Based on the bigoted Facebook comments, today’s Wildrose party looks very much like yesterday’s Wildrose party.--Post # 1

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Graham Thomson: Based on the bigoted Facebook comments, today’s Wildrose party looks very much like yesterday’s Wildrose party.

The Wildrose’s homophobic “lake of fire” has turned into a tire fire. It is proving impossible to extinguish. The latest flare-up came on the...
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Julie Ali Brian Jean should come out of wherever he is hiding and kick WR membership rump. A leader leads. In this case of homophobia, he should check party membership of the folks who made the hateful comments and evict them from the party. Without any sort of delay whatsoever. 

If he doesn't do this I can guarantee that ordinary folks like myself won't be voting WR. We're looking for tolerance not hateful stances in our political representatives.

I can't understand how the WR folks don't understand that they are entitled to their religious views but not to imposing them on the society. It's also wise to remember that sexual orientation is considered private business and in my opinion--it's not anyone's business to push their beliefs on others.

Just unbelievable that some WR members are stuck in the past like this.

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Mark Oldman Well, what party are the homophobes going to join? The NDP? The PCs? The Alberta Party?

I mean, I'm sure there are a few homophobes in those parties too, though they mostly either keep their mouths shut about it.


Not saying that homophobia is official WRP doctrine - but it's the party whose official doctrine on other matters probably most closely aligns with the agenda of the largest number of homophobes in the province.

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Julie Ali Mark Oldman I think there are folks who express these views in all the political parties as you note. The media does tend to emphasize this sort of poor chatter with the WR folks. I don't think that the "official doctrine probably most closely aligns" with this sort of rot. It may be that the WR is a young party and has not yet learned political correctness.

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Sean Michael It's hilarious watching bigots, like some in this thread, whine when people call them out and try to use the old "you're not being tolerant of MY view" excuse. 

Tolerance has its limits, just as free speech does. You're free to hold your own opinion o
f anyone, but the second you start publicly deriding another person or group you're crossing that line. Part of being a tolerant society means calling out hate prejudice when you see encounter it. 

Don't like being called out for bigoted things you say, them keep those comments to yourself. It's that simple.

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Bill Frood So you're saying that you believe in freedom of speech as long as you agree with it, otherwise shut the hell up. Then you don't believe in freedom of speech. You scare the hell out of me.

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Shannon Burge Silly Bill, freedom of speech works two ways. You're free to say your bigoted garbage and I'm free to call it out for what it is. That's freedom. Why do you confuse this?

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Brian Deakin Everyone is a bigot unless they agree with Sean Michael

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Julie Ali Brian Deakin I don't think this is what Sean Michael was saying. I think what he was saying is when hate is present, we say it is hate and don't pretend otherwise.

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Sean Michael Like I said, free speech has a limit. You cannot make death threats without lawful consequences, so nor should you be able to make hateful comments about another group without moral consequences. The only thing not tolerated is intolerance.

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Darren Harker Bill Frood We have our freedoms of speech protected in our Charter. However, we also have laws against hate speech directed at individuals and groups of people.

I'll let you figure out how to reconcile the two of those.

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Darren Harker Brian Deakin Do you realize we have hate speech laws or completely oblivious?

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Shelley Eckess Sean Michael 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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Sterling Valentine The hate laws we have against hate speech are quite a bit more limited than the Left seems to think.

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Darren Harker Sterling Valentine It takes quite a bit for a person to get charged with hate speech, but there are such cases.

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Robert William Bill Frood thats not what he said go back and read it again

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J.E. Molnar This intolerant party is intent on returning to a “back-to-the-future” kind of conservatism that Albertans rejected in the last election. 

Recent events clearly illustrate the WRP penchant for disrespect and bigotry toward the LGBTQ community and their continued litany of intemperate narratives towards this group is jaw-dropping. They feign apology after every tangled misstep. They are fooling no one.

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Dev J Smith That's rich coming from you, one of the most intolerant commentators here.

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Jeff Gravél Dev J Smith J.E. is not a public official or in the running for public office. So his intolerance is no ones issue but his own.

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Dev J Smith Jeff Gravél Neither were the homophobic commentators. They were rank and file party members.

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J.E. Molnar Dev J Smith you are nothing if not hilarious. Love getting under your skin — even when you spew your odious drivel.

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Dev J Smith If you think someone who uses a fake name spending his days spewing NDP propagenda on various news boards "gets under my skin", you're even more delusional than the average Dipper. Get professional help before all is lost.

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Dev J Smith J.E. Molnar I'm not a WR supporter. What is even more delusional is your perception of your own grandiosity. Oh, wait, that is SOP for Dippers.

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J.E. Molnar Dev J Smith: Speaking of intolerance…what’s really delusional is your apparent support for the Wildrose Party.

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Bryan Evans Dev J Smith how did turn this to NDP? Topic was WRP.

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Dan Belisle If Molnar is in the thread, it's always about the NDP. It's his reason d'etre.

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Dev J Smith J.E. Molnar I'm not a WR supporter, never have been. I am a Liberal, and very excited about our new leader, David Khan. That is where progressive votes should go, rather than the loony, deficit ballooning, oilsands protesting Dippers and their unemployed supporters, who seem to be on every news outlet spewing their propaganda 24/7.

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J.E. Molnar Dev J Smith: WOW! Talk about an unhinged response. Remember that professional help you were talking about in your previous post? Maybe you should consider getting some. You obviously suffer from NDP Derangement Syndrome lady.

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Dev J Smith LOL. And right on cue . . .

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Julie Ali J.E. Molnar Why is it delusional to support the WR? Could it not be said that it is also delusional to support the NDP folks? It's just a matter of perspective.

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Julie Ali J.E. Molnar The sad aspect of your comments is that they confirm that there is a lack of respect for anyone who supports other political parties.

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Darren Harker Dev J Smith Does David Kahn have an election platform/Liberal ideas? Just curious how you know what he and the Liberals stand for?

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Darren Harker Julie Ali WRP spout hateful, bigoted comments on social media on a regular basis. The past two years has been a disaster for their party and it's base. They're an embarrassment to Alberta.

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Dev J Smith Darren Harker Because I'm a Liberal. His views are balanced. The Alberta Liberal Party does have some of its policies on its website, but an election platform has yet to be formulated. Obviously, they will not win the next election, so I will vote for the new united conservative party, but I will volunteer my time and money to Mr. Khan's campaign. It's important he gain a seat in the legislature.

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Darren Harker Dev J Smith Ok, thanks for letting me know. I had read a little bit about what Khan believes and supports, but it was pretty general statements. I'm curious where/how he'll lead the Liberals.

I can't vote for any party that doesn't have clear ideas. At this point, that seems to be the new United Conservative Party.

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Dev J Smith They are the only party that will defeat the NDP, which is why I will support them.

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Darren Harker Dev J Smith I don't care about defeating the NDP. I'm looking for a party that has solid ideas for moving our province forward economically and socially. So far, that is the NDP. 

The WRP and whatever the other party is going to call itself (do they e
ven have a name yet?) has not put out anything to lead me to believe they will move us in the right direction. All I've seen and read so far is that they are against NDP policies without putting forth any alternatives. 

The one thing I will NOT vote for is for a party that believes cuts to our Health and Education services while offering sweetheart (under the table) jobs and contracts to their friends is going to help us as a province. We've been there, done that and are still paying for it.

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Robert William Dev J Smith Liberal defeat the NDP, he he h ha sure sure

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Julie Ali Darren Harker There are plenty of nice people in the WR party. At least if they have views that aren't acceptable we hear them. It's probable that other political party members have these views as well but don't air them in public.

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Julie Ali Darren Harker I won't vote NDP again. They have turned out to be the new PCs. Why would they "loan" $235 million to big oil for an orphan well program that is the responsibility of big oil? Why would they use the $30 million provided by the federal Liberals for economic stimulation to make this loan interest free? The NDPs are the new PCs. Failed representation with extra high debt levels. While some infrastructure work is required we don't need the massive debt levels we are seeing. The $14.2 million given by both the PCs and the NDPCs to the Pure North S'Energy Foundation is a troubling use of public dollars for no benefits I can see. No changes in continuing care detected. We have a "climate leadership plan" with no leadership but certainly a lot of spin involved. It's not good performance and the NDPCs need to be replaced.

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