Tuesday, June 13, 2017

Edmonton Journal 13 hrs · Graham Thomson: Based on the bigoted Facebook comments, today’s Wildrose party looks very much like yesterday’s Wildrose party.--comments Part 2


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Graham Thomson: Based on the bigoted Facebook comments, today’s Wildrose party looks very much like yesterday’s Wildrose party.

The Wildrose’s homophobic “lake of fire” has turned into a tire fire. It is proving impossible to extinguish. The latest flare-up came on the...
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Faye Mock
 I believe your sexuality is your business, not government's. I believe religious institutions have the to follow their beliefs in regard to who they marry. I believe every person has the right to their opinions. I believe control over a women's reproductive choices is hers to decide. I consider myself socially progressive, fiscally conservative, and here's a surprise, I'm a Wildrose supporter provincially, and Conservative federally. Don't paint all members or any political party with the same brush. Just like Canada is made up of citizens who hold a wide variety of opinions on social issues, so too does every political party

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Eleanor Fincham Unfortunately you may be a rarity within the WRP.

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Nicole Schenk It's nice to see some moderate views in the WRP and their supporters. Unfortunately, that seems the be the quiet group at the back...

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Bernadette N Rob Fisher Not true Eleanor. The rarity in the party is the loons like this guy! You will find that a majority of wildrose supporters believe exactly what Faye has just stated. But that doesn't make for interesting news does it And it sure won't win the NDP the next election either. Im a fiscal conservative and just don't see how a balanced budget and provincial prosperity has anything to do with anyones sexuality. Equal rights for all as long as we can all keep working and not leave our kids a life time of outrageous debt that they will be taxed to death on.

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Darren Harker Bernadette N Rob Fisher Your kids won't die from a large debt, but they certainly could from not having proper Health services, which is how the WRP and any Jason Kenney-led party will govern. We're still recovering from the Klein cuts to that infrastructure.

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Faye Mock I've found far more WRP supporters who hold socially progressive views, versus intolerant narrow minded ones.

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Darren Harker Faye Mock Why are socially progressive WRP supporters always so quiet when other WRP supporters start threatening our politicians and voicing their hate?

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Julie Ali Thank you for a response that defies the stereotypes that seem to abound here. Yes, it is possible to be a Wildrose Party supporter and still have an intact brain. Yes, it is possible to be a Wildrose Party supporter and believe in the human rights of all folks. Yes, it is possible to be a WR Party supporter and ask Mr. Jean to kick out the folks who do not represent what I believe are the majority of Albertans who are decent folks and who will vote in the WR in the next election. Why would we vote WR? Because we voted PC and we voted NDPC and now we're voting for the representation we believe that we will get from the WR.

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Julie Ali Darren Harker You are mistaken. We are not quiet. Maybe you aren't listening to us when we speak?

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Julie Ali Faye Mock Again I agree with you.

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Julie Ali Darren Harker I believe we will all survive when the WR come to power. If the WR folks take the Kenney guy I will vote for some other party. The fact is I have seen the antics of Harper's Team and I am not impressed.

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Julie Ali Eleanor Fincham There are good people everywhere. When you focus on the dandelions you miss seeing the lawn. This is true of WR folks. I mean sure there are some folks tend to blame a specific group like Muslims, the Liberals etc. but I guess this is true of all the political parties and their members. Who knows why folks need to have a group to pound on?

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Cody Hammond
 So your going to label the entire party for the words of a few? Well.... I guess the ndp are anti oil activists and have no place in Alberta. Boot them out! Lol.

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Chris Vining I think you need to go back and read the article. Sweeping generalizations are dangerous regardless of what side of the fence you sit on. However, if you continue to protect them then you need to live with that. At least the NDP have called out the ant...See More

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Clayton Coroon Read books, don't burn them.

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William Marion Sr. You label all liberals the same

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Dev J Smith Chris Vining The NDP have not called out anti pipeline activists. Some of them are in cabinet. Others are EA's. 

I believe Kenney has addressed those who made bigoted statements against Muslims. Jean should address this, assuming the statements were made by WR members. But I think the first approach is education rather than isolation/banishment. Change comes with the former rather than the latter.

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Bryan Evans If you read the article it states the comments were indeed made by WRP members. It's 2017. Not sure we need any more time
For "education" on this issue.

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Dev J Smith Bryan Evans Education of ignorance is always the preferred approach.

The article states that, but that doesn't mean it is a fact. Are you privy to WR membership lists?

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Julie Ali Dev J Smith Sorry, I think we should banish them. The education business is for kids and I'm of the opinion if you've gone through the school system you've been educated already. Why wait?

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Julie Ali Dev J Smith Should be easy for WR to confirm membership and cut them loose. Or do the WR folks want a repeat of the Lake of Fire loss at the next election because if this sort of junk is typical in the WR you can be sure this is what will happen.

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Julie Ali There is a difference between issues and people I believe. Calling the NDP anti-oil activists is not the same as calling people sinful. 
Also the NDP are not anti-oil activists. Did you miss the $235 million "loan" that they just gave to big oil for th
e orphan well program? The $30 million from the federal Liberals also went to ensure that this money would be given interest free. If you ask me the NDP folks are even more captive to the oil and gas industry than the PCs ever were.

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Darren Harker There were names offered. The history of the WRP bigotry is also written in the article. It's not a generalization when there are MANY (not a few) who disagree with LGBTQ lifestyles.

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Cody Hammond Exactly. And there are many people in the wildrose who are lgbqt or support them. Words of a few don't speak for all. And ndp don't call out anti oil activists they hire them to work on the oil sands panel. I'm a wildrose supporter. And I have no opinion on how anyone wants to live there life. Government has no place in a bedroom

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Darren Harker Dev J Smith Which NDP MLA's are anti-pipeline activists?

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Cody Hammond Sticks and stones. Screaming and yelling at someone over there opinion or there belief isn't any more tolerable then someone voicing there opinion of someone's lifestyle choice. But people are people and everyone has there opinion. Some can manage to keep it to themselves others can't. When the day comes we learn to ignore others ignorance and not give them the attention they want is the day they stop. Until then you just fueling the cause.

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Darren Harker Cody Hammond Yes, the NDP DO call them out. They've spoke against anti-oil activists in the Leg as well as in the media. This is obvious. Stop ignoring things you don't want to believe.

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Darren Harker Cody Hammond Yes it is when the people not agreeing with the lifestyle use hateful speech to do it. If it was civil language we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Rob Posliff Cody Hammond You are absolutely right. But the open and tolerant within the WRP will need to be louder if they want to change the narrative. Did I miss the Wildrose float at the Pride parade?

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Dev J Smith Darren Harker Shannon Philips, for one. She denies it now, but she's been photographed protesting at anti oilsands rallies. As has Rachel Notley and David Eggen.

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Dev J Smith Julie Ali I disagree. Education is a lifelong process. You change views by challenging them, not by letting them fester in darkness.

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Darren Harker Dev J Smith That was not as an NDP MLA. She has obviously changed her tune and is in full support of NDP policies (which are CLEARLY pro-pipeline).

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Dev J Smith She has just tempered public pronouncement of her views. When the NDP lose power, she'll be back to protesting. The only reason she is "in full support" is because she wants to remain in cabinet.

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Darren Harker Dev J Smith By "tempered", you must mean "not speaking against pipelines at all". Especially since our Premier is pushing hard for them.

There's 0 logic in your second point. (Wants to remain in power where she won't be able to say or support what she really wants?).

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Cheri L Bass I and many other Wildrose members have said loud and clear many times that these people don't speak for us. We are drowned out by the rabid frothing at the mouth trolls who only see the negative. Just like the rabid left south of the border.

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Cody Hammond Exactly Cheri L Bass

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Darren Harker Cheri L Bass Keep tuning them in Cheri! I applaud you using your voice. 👍

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Julie Ali Dev J Smith Maybe this is true if your mind is open but if the door is barred and locked, not much is going to enter there.

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Doris Jean Saxton
 No matter the name,it's still Alberta' s reform party and they will never change, feel sorry for Brian, but that's the group he chose and defends or as now lays low hoping.

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Dev J Smith He's wrong to not address this.

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Bryan Evans You feel sorry for Brian Jean? I feel sorry for the members of the LGBTQ community who have to onCe AGAIN hear this drivel and homophobic sentiments once again spewed about them!

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Julie Ali Bryan Evans Mr. Jean needs to come out of the closet and speak. If he doesn't he is doing us all who support the WR party a disservice. This junk needs to be openly discussed.

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Margaret Louise It's sad that people who chant "tolerance" as their mantra are so intolerant. Does tolerance really mean everyone has to agree with you? No, it means live and let live. Why would you demand that someone who has a different opinion on a matter participate? That's not tolerance. Tolerance says, "I may not agree with you, but you have a right to your own feelings and opinion." Leave him alone. It's ok to have differing thoughts and opinions.

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Bernadette N Rob Fisher Sure does. Shouldn't the young man whom casually mentioned that he attended the pride parade have that same right?

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Margaret Louise Absolutely.

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Mark Oldman Wait what? Who's chanting "tolerance" as their mantra and also being intolerant?

The WRP members who harassed their gay fellow party member for extending an invitation to join him at the parade?


The folks on the comment thread who are pointing out that homophobic harassment is not acceptable?

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Margaret Louise I guess that depends on who you ask 

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Mark Oldman There's quite a current of "you're just as intolerant of the intolerant people because you won't tolerate their acts of abuse, to which you respond with non-abusive and non-threatening condemnations of their abusive and threatening actions." I'm not accusing you of it, at least in part because I didn't quite understand your comment so I have no foundation on which to level any accusation at all.

But it's worth noting - the gay WRP member didn't "demand" that his fellow party members join him. He extended an invitation. He got an earful of abuse calling his "lifestyle" "sinful".

The tolerant thing to do in that situation is to say "Thank you for the invitation, I must decline, but I hope you have a lovely time" or simply not to reply.

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Margaret Louise Mark Oldman, I agree completely.

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Julie Ali I see no reason to be tolerant of hate.

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Tom Barrett
 It is shameful that so many Albertans continue to support a party of Neanderthal bigots.

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Joel Kortmeyer It's worse knowing some Albertians support the NDP.

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Steven Young It's either caused by the bible or bitumin in the drinking water. Could be inbreeding, too, I suppose.

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Bryan Evans Joel Kortmeyer says someone who has not lived a life of an LGBTQ person.

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Joel Kortmeyer Bryan Evans I NEVER said anything once in that statement that says anything bad about the LGBTQ community. SO DONT put words in to my mouth. Now if your wondering ... DO i support the LGBTQ Community... Yea i do .. i have zero issues with any of that stuff.

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Darren Harker Joel Kortmeyer You don't like a gov't that pushes for pipelines?

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Julie Ali Joel Kortmeyer Funny.

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Julie Ali Joel Kortmeyer Good for you.

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Dean Michael Lemieux Oh come on now!!! You call that attacked?! Pretty tame comments, rude and ignorant, but hardly attacks. A couple comments on Facebook and you bring up every intolerant thing ever said or done ?? 
Somebody sounds triggered.
If you are going to make statements publicly you have to expect some out there to disagree. 

That's not an "attack" it's a "comment"

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Lynda Huseby So, you need people to be actually physically assaulted before you'll speak out?
It starts with comments, and it does escalate from there.

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Julie Ali Lynda Huseby Agree with you. What's said is what's acted on.

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Brian Deakin Just because some have a different opinion......that does not make them homophobic or intolerant

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Eleanor Fincham When they hate an entire group of people for who they love? Yes it does make them intolerant and homophobic.

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Brian Deakin Eleanor Fincham sorry, I don't converse with people that hide their identity

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Darren Harker It does when the person/people starts using hateful remarks toward another person or group of people. 

This shouldn't be so hard to wrap your head around.

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Eleanor Fincham You addressed me by my legal name with no obvious problems. Well done. 

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Brian Deakin We live in a generation of emotionally weak people...everything has to be watered down because it's offensive. Including the truth

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Darren Harker Brian Deakin That's a crock. Groups that have been bullied and persecuted for decades finally have a voice and that bothers you? 

What is the truth Brian? Is it that it's actually you is emotionally weak?

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Sean Michael "We live in a generation of emotionally weak people"

...says the guy who gets upset that he's being called a bigot. 
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Brian Deakin Sean Michael I'm a boomer, I grew up learning sticks and stones can break my bones but words can't hurt me....Unlike the Millennials meaning you, that need to change their pullups every 30 minutes

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Sean Michael And yet you're still sitting here whining?

Sounds like the only snowflake here is you, Brian.

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Brian Deakin Not whining...stating facts

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Sean Michael No, you're stating your opinion. 

You need to educate yourself on the difference between the two.

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Brian Deakin In life it's important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong

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Brian Deakin Sean Michael you're an angry person you really should get help with that

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Sean Michael Lol what part of anything I've said comes across as angry? I think you're projecting pretty heavily here, Brian.

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Julie Ali Brian Deakin A generation of emotionally weak peope hey? Well here's one of them telling you that I don't agree with your comment. Words can hurt. Here are some of them I have heard directed at me or my own--Paki, Chink, Foreigner. Words do hurt. The antidote to hate? Speak up and don't put up with this junk. Ever.

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Julie Ali Brian Deakin Pullups? Wow, just wow.

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Rickshaw Dave Good to know the knuckledraggers will help ensure Notley gets re-elected.

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Julie Ali Ms. Notley and crew won't get re-elected. Why? Broken promises. Think of the continuing care system and the lack of change there and this is why I'm not voting back the crew that failed us.

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Garry Bodnar We know what kind of supporters the Wildrose Party attracts. There's a reason people refer to it as the Party of Hate.

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Julie Ali Hmm... the party of hate? And you belong to the party of love I guess? Let me guess. NDP?

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