Wednesday, March 22, 2017

Scientists Just Replicated The Infamous Milgram Experiment If you’re even a little bit interested in scientific experimentation, you’ve probably heard of the Milgram experiment. Well, as it so happens, the results of the original experiment still apply today, with 90 percent of the participants of a new study willing to “electrocute” an innocent person just because they were told to do so. “Half a century after Milgram's original research into obedience to authority,” the team of researchers write, “a striking majority of subjects are still willing to electrocute a helpless individual.” This new study, published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, was conducted in Poland in 2015, and is the first Milgram experiment to be carried out in Eastern Europe. The fact that 90 percent of participants went the whole nine yards is a worrying sign, but it’s worth noting that there was only 80 people taking part in the test – a small sample size, to be sure. With authoritarianism once again on the rise, this infamous experiment is certainly pertinent. Will contemporary people do bad things because of an overbearing political influence? This new study seems to suggest they will. There is one additional thing to highlight, however. The team, from Poland’s SWPS University of Social Sciences and Humanities, found that “the number of people refusing to carry out the commands of the experimenter was three times greater when the [learner] was a woman--------You would expect doctors-would not become prime Milgram experiment participants but not a single doctor in the experimental group at the UAH who were flocked about my sister suggested that the R3 Goals of Care were inappropriate. Instead they all supported the Grey Nuns Hospital doctors until another authority figure--the ethicist came into the picture and disrupted the Milgram experiment of ethics and power. No one listened to the stay at home mummy yapping about the vulnerability of my sister. No one listened to my dad and the doctors made disparaging remarks about my dad's insistence on her staying alive. It's clear to me that families have an uphill battle when dealing with doctors and nurses because they don't know how to make independent judgements. They make group decisions and they follow the code of never speak against another doctor's decision. So dumb. Even the ethicist at the Grey Nuns Hospital was mute about the junk at the Grey Nuns Hospital that happened in 2014 where she was downgraded after a year of being kept like a kitten on a string in the acute care bed. Even the ethicist who did say it was unethical to withdraw services to the UAH doctors did say he was open to further discussions. What the heck? Open to further discussions on this matter? Why? Is there no one who understands the line in the sand? Or are handicapped people and the aged disposable entities in our society? What the heck is going on in Alberta?-----------

#NotDeadYet--it is clear to me that doctors need training in ethics. How on Earth the doctors at the Grey Nuns Hospital decided to do the do not resuscitate business on a handicapped woman who has known cognitive and respiratory problems is beyond me. The first group just put the orders down as if they were ordering ham and eggs. The second group of doctors did the more subtle premature termination business of getting specialists to say she was competent with sky high coma inducing carbon dioxide levels and say that they were merely following her instructions in this condition to not intubate rather than following the personal directive requirements for full resuscitation.
The third group of doctors don't even pretend to get her permission but do what the first group did which is deny services while all the time hypocritically writing down that this move is a kindness to her so that she won't be penalised with life saving measures.
Meanwhile when I go to beg for her life to the doctors at the UAH in 2014 assuming that this group of doctors would have the brains and ethics to see how wrong the Grey Nuns Hospital doctors were being denying my sister life saving measures without doing their due diligence such as the data card downloads that I did to prove that staff were not turning on the BIPAP machine so she wasn't getting any therapy but was instead getting oxygen without pressure so as to exacerbate her condition and getting her into ICU itself---what do the doctors at the UAH do?
They reframe my data card download to say that the sister believes that the patient is not getting enough BIPAP use.
What the heck?
Can't the pulmonary physicians interpret the data card download to SEE that there was no use because no one had put on the machine for 55 days out of 60 days and this resulted in her ICU visit to the Grey Nuns Hospital and the R3 goals of care designation?
But no, the doctors go the Milgram route and band together to ask for the R3 goals of care status. It was stunning evidence that the Milgram experiment results carry on through time and even if you know of this experiment as most of these doctors do --then they don't care and still follow the authority figure. But who was the authority figure in this group of authority figures? Beats me.
What was clear to this stay at home mummy was this--they were all authority figures,

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Scientists Just Replicated The Infamous Milgram Experiment


If you’re even a little bit interested in scientific experimentation, you’ve probably heard of the Milgram experiment. Well, as it so happens, the results of the original experiment still apply today, with 90 percent of the participants of a new study willing to “electrocute” an innocent person just because they were told to do so.
“Half a century after Milgram's original research into obedience to authority,” the team of researchers write, “a striking majority of subjects are still willing to electrocute a helpless individual.”
This new study, published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, was conducted in Poland in 2015, and is the first Milgram experiment to be carried out in Eastern Europe. The fact that 90 percent of participants went the whole nine yards is a worrying sign, but it’s worth noting that there was only 80 people taking part in the test – a small sample size, to be sure.
With authoritarianism once again on the rise, this infamous experiment is certainly pertinent. Will contemporary people do bad things because of an overbearing political influence? This new study seems to suggest they will.
There is one additional thing to highlight, however. The team, from Poland’s SWPS University of Social Sciences and Humanities, found that “the number of people refusing to carry out the commands of the experimenter was three times greater when the [learner] was a woman.”






Julie Ali feeling concerned.
Just now
Besides the pecan pie I bought a hand bag today. I like to have bags for different purposes. I have a bird bag for when I do bird spotting in the forest.
I have a painting and pencil bag for my art supplies.
I have a serious bag for the stuff I lug around for everyone like health care notes and cards. I have my bank books in another bag.
I guess when you are thinking for many people you have to compartmentalise your brain.
Right now I feel like going to bed but I have to do the review of this section as it is important. I am looking at the 2014 admission to the UAH and thinking about how is it that doctors can't see that my sister is so vulnerable and still push for the R3 (do not intubate) status? Why didn't the UAH doctors put down R1 Goals of care without having an ethicist tell them that the R3 -withdrawal of services business was just plain wrong and that trying to take over guardianship of my sister to force the deal would not work in court because we weren't asking for the impossible. We were asking for the just matter.
I am very sad about the failures of the doctors at the Grey Nuns Hospital to do their ethical duty. But I am even more sad about the failures of their colleagues at the UAH to stand up for my sister. Why did the UAH doctors support the Grey Nuns Hospital doctors? Is it possible that when one set of doctors decide on no resuscitation that this is a sort of Milgram experiment where most of the doctors go for the decision to harm? This experiment has been repeated just recently and the results are the same. When asked to harm someone by an authority figure folks will do the harming for no reason I can determine other than they do not want to go against authority.
You would expect doctors-would not become prime Milgram experiment participants but not a single doctor in the experimental group at the UAH who were flocked about my sister suggested that the R3 Goals of Care were inappropriate. Instead they all supported the Grey Nuns Hospital doctors until another authority figure--the ethicist came into the picture and disrupted the Milgram experiment of ethics and power.
No one listened to the stay at home mummy yapping about the vulnerability of my sister. No one listened to my dad and the doctors made disparaging remarks about my dad's insistence on her staying alive.
It's clear to me that families have an uphill battle when dealing with doctors and nurses because they don't know how to make independent judgements. They make group decisions and they follow the code of never speak against another doctor's decision.
So dumb.
Even the ethicist at the Grey Nuns Hospital was mute about the junk at the Grey Nuns Hospital that happened in 2014 where she was downgraded after a year of being kept like a kitten on a string in the acute care bed. Even the ethicist who did say it was unethical to withdraw services to the UAH doctors did say he was open to further discussions. What the heck? Open to further discussions on this matter? Why?
Is there no one who understands the line in the sand?
Or are handicapped people and the aged disposable entities in our society?
What the heck is going on in Alberta?


If you’re even a little bit interested in scientific experimentation, you’ve probably heard of the Milgram experiment. Well, as it so happens, the results
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