Saturday, February 25, 2017

Ward said they’ll also launch a general education campaign this spring to caution people against taking shelter under the overpasses during a hail storm or heavy rain.---------Vernon Wise City is also considering making jacked-up Dodge 3/4 ton 4x4s will monster tires the only vehicles people can drive in Edmonton... But seriously can't the problem be fixed?-----Julie Ali · University of Alberta I think every problem can be fixed with the political will. But this problem just impacts ordinary citizens so it won't be fixed.-----

Even when I yapped in 2013 no sort of effort was made by the city to solve the problem of flooding in the Whitemud Freeway.
This sort of problem should not be present and so why is it continuing? Why is the city of Edmonton not dealing with these issues that impact citizens and instead paying out to them when problems occur?
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This is the response I got to the loss of my poor dad's car. Dad is a senior and didn't go ahead with the claim.  I would have done the claim.



​​​​From: "CRS LA Risk Management email folder" <riskmanagement@edmonton.ca>
To: "
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September, 2013 16:46:38
Subject: RE: drainage problems on the whitemud freeway

​​​​​If you feel the City of Edmonton is responsible for your damages and wish to open a claim for the incident below, the process for submitting a claim may be found at:

http://www.edmonton.ca/for_residents/services/damage-or-injury-claims.aspx or online at www.edmonton.ca by searching 'claim form'

Please fill out the Statement of Damage or Injury form (also attached below) with full details and submit it to our office (by mail, email, or fax as per instructions on form) and your claim (with complete details) will be assigned to an adjuster for investigation.

Please be informed that there are statutory notice requirements for providing the city with notice of certain types of claims (including roads/public works and snow and ice as per the MGA Municipal Government Act) and that this communication shall not constitute acceptance of notice or waive any statutory defences available. Also, in accordance with the Fair Practices Amendment Regulation, please be informed that a two-year limitation period applies; if you do not commence legal action to advance your claim within two years of the date of the incident causing your loss or damage, the City of Edmonton and their employees will be entitled to immunity from liability in respect of your claim pursuant to the provisions of Limitations Act of Alberta.

Please feel free to call Risk Management at 780-496-7200 during regular business hours of 8:00 to 4:30 Monday to Friday if you have any questions.



From: Erika Yurdiga
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:53 AM
To: CRS LA Risk Management email folder
Subject: FW: drainage problems on the whitemud freeway




From: jyali [
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:40 AM
To: TS Transportation Operations Internet E-mail
Cc: Bryan Anderson
Subject: drainage problems on the whitemud freeway

Hi,

I am writing about drainage problems along the Whitemud Freeway.

Recently my father, Dr. Ali lost his Toyota Camry due to water collected on the road. A city DATS vehicle was also stranded in the same incident. Water had collected in a depression and there was no way for any driver to see this collection as they drove into it. No warning notices were present (obviously since the DATS vehicle was there with my dad).

My dad was unable to get the AMA to come collect the car immediately because his situation was considered to be dangerous.  He was eventually rescued by city folks. You can imagine that for an eighty year old this is a very stressful situation.

I am wondering what type of compensation the city provides for this type of situation. The CAMRY was relatively low mileage (as a senior my dad only drove it to his part time job as a physician) and to shop for groceries). He did not get sufficient return from the insurance company to buy a similar CAMRY.  He bought a Corolla instead.

Besides the question of compensation I also have the question of the ongoing flooding problems due to flash floods that trashes citizen cars on a regular basis.  The fact is that there is a drainage problem on stretches of our roadway and this is unacceptable for safe operation of roads. This is an ongoing liability for the city. My dad's insurance company billed his contact with standing water as a collision when in reality it wasn't. It was a failure of our city to put up appropriate warnings in place and close off the area in a timely fashion (I mean if even a city vehicle can't get warning --how do you think citizens will get warned?)

This is an unacceptable situation and needs fixing.
If you need details for this incident I will prepare an incident report.

From what I can tell, this sort of drainage problem is not just isolated to the Whitemud Freeway but is all over the city. I do believe the city needs to address it. I can't understand why citizens have put up with these sorts of problems without working on a legal case to get you all to do your jobs.

It is not fine for citizens to stay home every summer to look for flooding in their basement while the city council spends its time floating big time legacy projects like the Katz arena while ignoring the day to day problems of constituents.
I see no reason for any of us to put up with this dereliction of duties.
I encourage you all to work immediately on the drainage issues and even decline the Katz arena in favor of concentrating on the real problems of our city.

To be quite frank, I don't care if the response is that the Katz arena is being paid for from a different pot of money.

In my mind it is all taxpayer money and comes from the same original pot.
The drainage issues, the problems with roads ,the failure of governance and representation, the waste of money on dumb infrastructure projects point to a terrific incompetence that should be investigated not only by the city auditor but by the citizens of Edmonton.

We are not getting the services, responses and the performance that we pay big bucks for and we are tired of it.

Please let me know what recourse my dad has to recoup the losses from an accident that need not have happened if the city has some sort of emergency planning in place for flash floods.
I do believe the city needs to look at the vulnerable areas of the Whitemud Freeway and do the drainage work again if only to prevent further liability issues such as this one.

Sincerely,
Julie Ali


http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/councillors-want-appeal-to-common-sense-on-flooded-underpasses?fb_comment_id=fbc_1468310946521488_1468342436518339_1468342436518339#f3bc9122e001cd



Councillors want appeal to 'common sense' on flooded underpasses

Published on: February 24, 2017 | Last Updated: February 24, 2017 6:09 PM MST
Shawna Serniak and her son Trylan, 19, were caught in a flooded underpass on the Whitemud during a torrential rainstorm in 2016. This picture was taken from Serniak's Facebook page, and shows the flood, taken from inside the family's Dodge Journey.
Shawna Serniak and her son Trylan, 19, were caught in a flooded underpass on the Whitemud during a torrential rainstorm in 2016. This picture was taken from Serniak's Facebook page, and shows the flood, taken from inside the family's Dodge Journey. SHAWNA SERNIAK / FACEBOOK
City officials are hoping to install warning signs and depth indicators at four Edmonton underpasses this spring to protect motorist against future floods.
“The real issue here is to get people fair warning,” said Coun. Ben Henderson, urging city officials Friday to get people accurate information quickly when freeway underpasses start to become dangerous and let each motorist make the call.
“To a certain extent, we need to depend on people’s common sense.”
Henderson was speaking at council’s utility committee at City Hall.
Eight underpasses in Edmonton have flooded 17 times during intense rainstorms since 2004, including two on Whitemud Drive in July 2016. The underpasses are designed to flood when storms are severe. But with intense storms happening more frequently, city officials are trying to find a way to keep the public safe.
Last time, firefighters were called to rescue drivers.

Pilot project

As a pilot project this summer, city officials intend to place temporary digital road signs beside up to four underpasses — two on Whitemud Drive at 111 Street and 106 Street, and likely two on Yellowhead Trail at 50 Street and 82 Street.
“Next time, it could be the north side that gets it,” warned Coun. Michael Walters.
All four of those intersections have sensors in the drains beneath, which turn on pumps as water levels increase. This spring, drainage operations will create an alert system so those sensors will also trigger an alarm at their headquarters, which is monitored 24 hours a day, said utility branch manager Chris Ward.
Staff will check the road cameras, and if the water is rising, they’ll turn on the emergency signs telling motorists to use caution and take an off ramp instead.

RELATED

Ward said they’ll also launch a general education campaign this spring to caution people against taking shelter under the overpasses during a hail storm or heavy rain.
Coun. Moe Banga said city officials should consider fixing the issue on Yellowhead Trail while construction is ongoing.
“We’ll take a look at that,” said Ward, promising to return with more information on the cost of infrastructure solutions in June. Other councillors were keen to try the lower cost options first.
estolte@postmedia.com

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Julie Ali ·
This is the response I got to the loss of my poor dad's car. Dad is a senior and didn't go ahead with the claim. I would have done the claim.

​​​​From: "CRS LA Risk Management email folder" <riskmanagement@edmonton.ca>
To: "
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September, 2013 16:46:38
Subject: RE: drainage problems on the whitemud freeway

​​​​​If you feel the City of Edmonton is responsible for your damages and wish to open a claim for the incident below, the process for submitting a claim may be found at:

http://www.edmonton.ca/.../damage-or-injury-claims.aspx or online at www.edmonton.ca by searching 'claim form'

Please fill out the Statement of Damage or Injury form (also attached below) with full details and submit it to our office (by mail, email, or fax as per instructions on form) and your claim (with complete details) will be assigned to an adjuster for investigation.

Please be informed that there are statutory notice requirements for providing the city with notice of certain types of claims (including roads/public works and snow and ice as per the MGA Municipal Government Act) and that this communication shall not constitute acceptance of notice or waive any statutory defences available. Also, in accordance with the Fair Practices Amendment Regulation, please be informed that a two-year limitation period applies; if you do not commence legal action to advance your claim within two years of the date of the incident causing your loss or damage, the City of Edmonton and their employees will be entitled to immunity from liability in respect of your claim pursuant to the provisions of Limitations Act of Alberta.

Please feel free to call Risk Management at 780-496-7200 during regular business hours of 8:00 to 4:30 Monday to Friday if you have any questions.
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Julie Ali ·
My dad lost one of his cars on Whitemud Drive because he drove into a flooded section. There was no warning.

I don't know why this problem occurs. You would think that there would be preventative steps taken by the city when they build these structures. How is it possible for water to collect, and not be seen by a driver until it is too late and the car is sinking into the flood?

I believe the city of Edmonton has liability issues with this problem. I don't think folks like my dad should have to pay for the loss of a car.
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Crisel Canda ·
---the city did not complete the original design---
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Julie Ali ·
Crisel Canda I don't understand this problem. Why are the underpasses designed to FLOOD?
What the heck?
If they are designing roads to flood why not tell citizens so we can choose other routes?
I mean my poor dad didn't know about the flood design.
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Jon Pearkins ·
"Ward said they’ll also launch a general education campaign this spring to caution people against taking shelter under the overpasses during a hail storm or heavy rain." - this will never work. Back in the '70s, people were being advised, in newspapers and magazines across the Canadian Prairies, to take shelter in underpasses during hail storms, sudden deluges of rain and severe lightning.

Likewise the “To a certain extent, we need to depend on people’s common sense.” It is common sense to take shelter in an underpass.

Either fix the underpass or put up warning systems with barricades when the poorly designed underpass is dangeous.
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Julie Ali ·
I agree with you they should fix the problem.
Why do they spend all their time on development and not on fixing the development problems?
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Crisel Canda ·
the long story is that when the overpasses were designed --there were also side roads built to utilise instead of the underpass-- if you look every underpass has an exit ramp---the underpasses were designed to utilize the best use of money under the weather history of flooding once every 10yrs-- weather has changed since 1970-1980-the original design called for warning signs to indicate flooding but that was never done based on usagle once every 10yrs.. now they are completing the original design of 1970 and installed the warning signs--- so a dozen cars flooded in 50 yrs of use--people complain about high taxes but i personally support everything the engineering has done as a responsible use of money ---but i dont drive my car into 4 foot deep lakes
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Julie Ali ·
No one voluntarily drives into a flooded area. I think this sort of incident is so rare that we are surprised when it happens.
I don't think it is responsible for engineering to have cars go into flooded areas of an underpass on the Whitemud freeway. I think they should fix the problem. Now that is good use of my tax dollars.
I also believe they should have thought of these problems BEFORE they made the freeway.
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Vernon Wise
City is also considering making jacked-up Dodge 3/4 ton 4x4s will monster tires the only vehicles people can drive in Edmonton...

But seriously can't the problem be fixed?
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Julie Ali ·
I think every problem can be fixed with the political will.
But this problem just impacts ordinary citizens so it won't be fixed.
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Rhys Jones
I'm pretty sure there was a funeral for common sense a way back in time 
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