Tuesday, February 21, 2017

--I begin to think the federal Conservative Party has not only lost its way but can't understand the minds of modern Conservative voters- many of whom are Muslim and are unimpressed by the shallow excuses of the Tories for not supporting an anti-hate motion. What is really needed to make the matter clear to the Conservatives is for Muslim citizens to stop donating to them. Money talks. I'd respectfully suggest to any Muslim Conservatives that they send their money to the federal Liberals who seem to understand that Islamophobia is a real issue and that this junk should not be tolerated in Canada. And if this sort of stance makes me unpopular with folks I don't care. Hate is hate. We should all stand up for our Muslim neighbours and friends who are being targeted for no damn reason other than folks are cowards and fools. I think we should all tell the federal Conservatives that they were wrong to vote against this motion. I think we should make it clear that we don't support hate.------Hours before voting on that motion, a Canadian Muslim leader blamed Conservatives for creating “waves of Islamophobia” with that motion. --“We are a community under siege,” Majzoub. He said he has received telephone calls, for example, from Muslim mothers who worry about the safety of their Canadian-born children when they go to school.------Majzoub told reporters at a Parliament Hill press conference Tuesday morning that the Liberals are right to vote against the Conservative motion because, in Majzoub’s view, the Conservatives are insincere in their desire to tackle the problem of rising anti-Muslim sentiment in Canada. “We have to look at this and the climate that the Conservatives have brought up with their motion. They have not brought it up prior to this. They tried to react in a way that unfortunately, whether directly or indirectly, that has created waves of Islamophobia all over the country,” Majzoub said.----------Julie Ali · University of Alberta It is mind boggling to me that a motion to condemn hate against a group is so successful in rousing citizens from their usual apathy. I don't see any problems with this motion. Hate is hate. In addition, I'd respectfully suggest that folks focus on real problems like seniors being abused and dying in the continuing care system, the major numbers of kids dying in the child welfare system and sundry other matters like the increasing debt in Alberta and Canada. This motion is not an issue but certainly gets major attention from citizens while real issues like poverty, DeMockracy and lack of action on homelessness are ignored. Like · Reply · Just now

#Islamophobia#FedConsDinosaur-Not only are the federal Conservatives dinosaurs lost in the badlands of a bygone era but we can't seem to get through to them to say that this motion is about hate. We don't want hate. And it is odd that the federal Conservatives won't support a motion against hate. Maybe they need to change their dumb attitude? Maybe if folks stop donating to the federal Conservatives they might get with the program?


It never fails to amaze me---how behind the time the federal Conservatives are. Oh, when oh when will they come out of the badlands of dinosaur times and come into the modern world? Why on earth would anyone make  a fuss about a motion against Islamophobia?


I begin to think the federal Conservative Party has not only lost its way but can't understand the minds of modern Conservative voters- many of whom are Muslim and are unimpressed by the shallow excuses of the Tories for not supporting an anti-hate motion.
What is really needed to make the matter clear to the Conservatives is for Muslim citizens to stop donating to them. Money talks. I'd respectfully suggest to any Muslim Conservatives that they send their money to the federal Liberals who seem to understand that Islamophobia is a real issue and that this junk should not be tolerated in Canada.

And if this sort of stance makes me unpopular with folks I don't care.
Hate is hate.
We should all stand up for our Muslim neighbours and friends who are being targeted for no damn reason other than folks are cowards and fools.
I think we should all tell the federal Conservatives that they were wrong to vote against this motion.
I think we should make it clear that we don't support hate.



http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/conservatives-have-created-waves-of-islamophobia-muslim-leader-says-ahead-of-key-house-vote

Liberals win key Commons vote while Tories are accused of creating ‘waves of Islamophobia’

David Akin | February 21, 2017 6:59 PM ET
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OTTAWA – All 165 Liberal MPs in the House of Commons Tuesday, led by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, voted against a motion calling on MPs to condemn “all forms of systemic racism, religious intolerance and discrimination” in the wake of  “the recent and senseless violent acts at a Quebec City mosque.”
The Liberal rejection of that motion came hours after Alexandre Bissonnette, accused of six murders at that mosque, made a brief court appearance in Quebec City.
Meanwhile, the 126 Conservative, New Democrat, and Bloc Quebecois MPs, as well as the lone Green Party MP voted in favour of the motion, put forward by Conservative MP David Anderson, which would have, among other things, asked a parliamentary committee to identify ways to reduce or eliminate “all types of discrimination in Canada,” including “discrimination of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus and other religious communities.”
Hours before voting on that motion, a Canadian Muslim leader blamed Conservatives for creating “waves of Islamophobia” with that motion.
Because the Liberals hold a majority in the House of Commons, Anderson’s motion failed by a vote of 126-165, capping a week of emotional politicking that saw Liberal MPs say the recent mosque murders were the “direct result” of the kind of policies put forward by the Conservatives; that saw the Conservatives accuse the Liberals of trying to divide Canadians of different faiths; and a weekend which saw an anti-semitic incident in Toronto while a mosque was vandalized in Montreal.
In debate in the House of Commons last week, the Liberal MPs said they could not vote for a motion that did not explicitly speak to Islamophobia even though MPs unanimously condemned Islamophobia not even four months ago, on Oct. 26.
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THE CANADIAN PRESS/ Patrick DoyleLiberal MP Iqra Khalid is congratulated by colleagues as she speaks about her anti-Islamophobia motion on Feb. 15, 2017.
Nonetheless, MPs will have the chance to condemn Islamophobia again when M-103, the motion from Liberal MP Iqra Khalid, comes up for a vote, likely in April. Khalid’s motion  asks MPs to “condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination.” M-103, just like the motion rejected by the Liberals Tuesday, will also ask a parliamentary committee to reduce or eliminate “system racism and religious discrimination.”
Khalid’s insistence on including the word “Islamophobia” has proved so controversial, she and her office have received thousands of violent, hateful threats and she herself has been assigned police protection.
Liberals who voted against Anderson’s motion Tuesday will vote in favour of Khalid’s M-103 in April.
And while New Democrats who voted for Anderson’s motion will also likely vote for M-103 as well, many Conservatives, including interim leader Rona Ambrose and every leadership candidate except for Michael Chong, said they will vote against M-103, because they are bothered by the presence of the term Islamophobia, which they feel is poorly defined, or by the absence of explicit recognition that other faiths are victims of religious intolerance.
Conservatives presented those objections despite the fact that they, like every other party, agreed to that Oct. 26 motion “condemning all forms of Islamophobia.”
The inclusion of the word “Islamophobia”  is vital said Samer Majzoub, president of the Canadian Muslim Forum, who praised the Liberal government for rejecting the Islamophobia-free motion from Conservative MP Anderson.
“The federal government has taken a very courageous stance,” Majzoub said at a Parliament Hill press conference, flanked by two Liberal MPs.
“We are a community under siege,” Majzoub. He said he has received telephone calls, for example, from Muslim mothers who worry about the safety of their Canadian-born children when they go to school.
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THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian WyldCanadian Muslim Forum spokesperson Samah Jebbari (left) listens as President Samer Majzoub responds to a question during a news conference on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, February 21, 2017.
Majzoub told reporters at a Parliament Hill press conference Tuesday morning that the Liberals are right to vote against the Conservative motion because, in Majzoub’s view, the Conservatives are insincere in their desire to tackle the problem of rising anti-Muslim sentiment in Canada.
“We have to look at this and the climate that the Conservatives have brought up with their motion. They have not brought it up prior to this. They tried to react in a way that unfortunately, whether directly or indirectly, that has created waves of Islamophobia all over the country,” Majzoub said.
The Canadian Muslim Forum, established in 1993, is a non-profit organization which sees its role to advocated for Muslim Canadians on public policy and civil rights issues. Mazjoub, an educator, has been a long-time community activist in Montreal.
“This [Conservative] motion came as trying to delegitimize M-103, trying really to degrade this motion. So it didn’t come — and this is what we believe  — it didn’t come as genuine,” Majzoub said.
Last week in the House of Commons, Liberal MP  Chandra Arya said the Quebec mosque murders were a “direct result” of the kinds of policies “championed” in recent elections by the federal Conservative party and the provincial Parti Quebecois.
Conservative MP Gerard Deltell angrily rejected Arya’s view.





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In the meantime, the Ontario legislature is set to debate its motion own condemning Islamophobia.
The Ontario motion, from Liberal backbencher Nathalie Des Rosiers, is to be debated Thursday and asks for the legislature to “stand against all forms of hatred, hostility, prejudice, racism and intolerance, rebuke the notable growing tide of anti-Muslim rhetoric and sentiments” and “condemn all forms of Islamophobia.”
Ontario Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown, a former Conservative MP,  says he will support the motion and will encourage his caucus to do the same, saying they “oppose any form of hate.”
With a file from The Canadian Press
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Julie Ali ·
It is mind boggling to me that a motion to condemn hate against a group is so successful in rousing citizens from their usual apathy.

I don't see any problems with this motion. Hate is hate.

In addition, I'd respectfully suggest that folks focus on real problems like seniors being abused and dying in the continuing care system, the major numbers of kids dying in the child welfare system and sundry other matters like the increasing debt in Alberta and Canada.

This motion is not an issue but certainly gets major attention from citizens while real issues like poverty, DeMockracy and lack of action on homelessness are ignored.
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