Thursday, February 23, 2017

A big majority of Albertans still hate this tax. A new Mainstreet Research poll for Postmedia also reveals profound dislike of other core elements of the NDP’s climate-change policy.--what is there to like about a greenwashing GST that the NDP folks never mentioned to us?


Greenwashing GST is no climate change strategy if you ask me.
Jim Roy · The University of Chicago
Yes, the NDP will lose. The climate policy is inappropriate because a tax on consumers will not change any behavior unless consumers have an alternative. Increased tax combined with free and expanded public transit would have hope of changing behavior. Tax plus rebate just adds administsrative expense without doing anything. Alberta royalty review also delivered an effective reduction in royalty (changes are not neutral), which will more than offset any climate effect of the new tax on consumption.
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Julie Ali · University of Alberta
I agree with you. This is a dumb green washing GST for no benefit in changing consumer behaviour. If you are taxing everyone and then returning money to most of the taxed people how does this even constitute a climate change policy?
As for any money generated, I'd like the Auditor General to follow the money and tell citizens exactly where the cash that remains ends up.

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http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/don-braid-ndp-needs-to-heed-widespread-rejection-of-climate-change-plan

Don Braid: NDP needs to heed widespread rejection of climate-change plan
Don Baird, Postmedia News | February 23, 2017 9:49 AM ET
Premier Rachel Notley unveils Alberta's climate strategy in Edmonton
Amber Bracken / The Canadian PressPremier Rachel Notley unveils Alberta's climate strategy in Edmonton
Alberta’s carbon tax is nearly two months old and it still has little visible impact at the pumps, because prices are quite low.
Gasoline here cost eight cents below the national average on Wednesday, despite the new tax of 4.49 cents per litre.
But that’s no help to the NDP. A big majority of Albertans still hate this tax. A new Mainstreet Research poll for Postmedia also reveals profound dislike of other core elements of the NDP’s climate-change policy.
This appears to be an unshakable reality that the NDP will have to deal with in the next election, if the party is to have a hope of winning.
Sixty-four per cent of Albertans are opposed to the tax, while only 34 per cent support it.
Only Edmonton, the NDP heartland, shows anything close to majority support. Forty-nine per cent like the tax, 50 per cent are against it, and one per cent aren’t sure.
Calgary clocks in at 61 per cent opposition and 36 per cent approval. Outside the two big cities, 70 per cent are against, 29 per cent in favour.
A new provincewide tax is never going to be popular, especially when the NDP didn’t say a thing about it in the 2015 election campaign.
But two-thirds of Albertans have already received rebates. Many got more money than they will pay in carbon tax over the course of a year.
David Bloom / Postmedia
David Bloom / PostmediaAn anti carbon tax sign is posted in the front lawn of a home in Edmonton Wednesday Dec. 26, 2017
Despite that attempt to buy acceptance, the tax has majority support in no part of the province. Nearly everywhere, it’s not even close.
The New Democrats’ rationale for the tax is that it’s helpful to the climate, wins “social licence” for pipeline projects, helps diversify the economy, and — although they don’t say this specifically — redistributes money to lower-income families.
The social licence part looks increasingly dangerous for the NDP.
It helped win federal cabinet approval for the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline.
But the B.C. New Democrats could win the May 9 provincial election, and then follow through with leader John Horgan’s pledge to obstruct construction.
The argument is already all over Twitter; if even Premier Rachel Notley’s B.C. friends won’t honour the licence Albertans are buying, what was the point? It’s a question that could cost her the government.
Other climate-change attitudes reveal a backlash that helps explain the NDP’s dismal third-place provincial standing in an earlier Mainstreet poll.
One shocker is that only 52 per cent of Albertans believe climate change is caused by human activity.
Once again, Edmonton skews the numbers upward. Sixty-three per cent of Edmontonians are believers.
The Calgary belief count is 47 per cent. Forty-one per cent think warming is natural. Calgary is even lower than the rest of the province, where 51 per cent are believers.
Larry Wong / Postmedia Network
Larry Wong / Postmedia NetworkAlberta Premier Rachel Notley
The poll question doesn’t ask if climate change is real, only whether humans are causing it. The result shows that nearly half of Alberta’s population doesn’t think we mortals have anything to do with that.
For people who feel that way, the next logical step is complete rejection of the NDP’s climate-change agenda on grounds that it’s fundamentally pointless.
Sure enough, only 31 per cent of Albertans agree with the NDP’s 100-megatonne hard cap on eventual oilsands emissions. Fifty-four per cent were opposed, and 15 per cent not sure.
In Calgary, the support rate for the emissions cap was just 36 per cent. Outside the major cities, it’s a rock-bottom 22 per cent.
One part of the climate-change agenda — the phase out of coal-fired power — wins healthy majority support from Albertans.
Overall, 58 per cent of Albertans support the move. The support level is 75 per cent in Edmonton, where air quality is sometimes directly affected by nearby Wabamun plants.
Fifty-eight per cent of Calgarians like the coal phase-out. Support is 53 per cent in the rest of the province.
The New Democrats will be happy with that part. The rest of the poll at least gives them a notion of the huge political problem they face, if they care to be honest with themselves.

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Rick Edmonds
One and done back to a Conservative province, that will be 3 out 4 in the west. Of course this means no more federal support, but we all know the world revolves around Ontario and Quebec. But that's ok as long as Trudeau is in charge, it's only a matter of time before the Canadian border ends at eastern Manitoba.
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Doug Hooper ·
If that happens you will never see a pipeline through BC.
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Randm Last
Doug Hooper
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Randm Last
it's not happening now. Just because the fed's gave their approval does not mean it is a done deal.

BC is now and will continue to hold it up as long as they can as a mean for vote buying in their coming provincial election.

So what do you know that the rest of us do not on the pipelines going to BC if the NDP in Alberta lose the next election?
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Serge Hrazdan
Well, if BC won't allow pipelines, maybe Saskatchewan and Manitoba will, up to Hudson's Bay.
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Keith Bonham
Rick E......FREE THE WEST , FREE THE WEST , FREE THE WEST
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Phillip Grimison
Doug Hooper I doubt that the Kinder Morgan expansion will ever go ahead. There are too many socialist hypocrites in BC to allow it to happen.
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William Blagdon
You honestly think those leftards are actually going to get re-elected? Sure majoirty of Canadians don't even trust the current governemnt. It's only a year in if that. That's federally. Provincialy the liberals don't have a leg to stand on.
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Barbi Benton ·
Shocking numbers alright given the fact that there has been no glo-bull warming for nigh on 20 years now. And now we find out that even NOAA (US Ocean and Atmospheric Agency) has been lying about temp increases (yet another example of "hide the decline"). But very unfortunately people are gullible. If they get most of their news from the LSM then we are all in trouble.

Another article in today's NP talked about human's current return to pre-Enlightment thinking. There is no more cogent argument for that than the hoax of Glo-Bull warming. I'm shocked that half of Calgarians have fallen for it. We are in deep trouble and it ain't from AGW.
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Patrick McMurphy
Barbi thinks she knows more than all the scientists on earth.
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Paul Blair ·
Patrick McMurphy Most scientists know that the climate changes through the centuries. They know there were ice-ages back before humans even learned how to start a simple wood fire at will. Most scientists know that man's contribution to the total short or long terrm effect is miniscule ...but you go ahead and keep believing the manipulators seeking to profit by raising fears through scare tactics. You've been suckered my friend. Sadly, we're all beinng forced to hand over money because of too many fools like you.
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William Blagdon
Patrick McMurphy You mean the same scientists that were caught manipulating gloabal warming data? If you do believe the scientists then please expain to us how a tax will make everything better? I havent heard a leftarded cuck explain it yet. Still waiting. C'mon now....
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Jim Mason
Patrick McMurphy Scientific truth is not determined by majority vote.
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Edward Yatscoff
Jim Mason The science LIES
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Gilbert Cyr
Albertans are smarter than the rest of Canadians with the exception of their collective temporary insanity at last election. Hopefully the rest of the provinces will grow some brain cells soon .
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Patrick McMurphy
Stupid people tend to be conservative.
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Nae Constantinescu ·
Patrick McMurphy , this comment of yours shows exactly the amount of fried brain you have. All of it!
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Kyle Holkeboer ·
Patrick McMurphy The left believe that socialist economies works.
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William Blagdon
Patrick McMurphy Leftists such as yourself tend to be pedophiles.
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Julie Ali ·
William Blagdon Now this was uncalled for.
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Julie Ali ·
Amusing responses from both the right and the left. But really folks all political parties are the same--opportunistic.
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Julie Ali ·
I don't think we were insane. I voted NDP to get rid of the non-productive PCs. I will vote Wildrose to get rid of the non-productive NDP folks. It is best to keep changing the folks in government until they begin to do their jobs.
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Kit Bell ·
Now that the USA has admitted that the data submitted to the Paris Conference on global warming was bogus will the group of over 300 pay back the cost of their travel to the Canadian taxpayers?? NO . Well would they at least consider paying back the $1300.00 dollars a person spent on the food and booze on the plane ride?? NO . I am not surprised and neither are the taxpayers of Canada as we are so used to being shafted.
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William Blagdon
Trudeau gets shafted next election. His own people don't trust him because he's a Soro's puppet. Just a year in not even.
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Edward Yatscoff
Turdeau didn'y do his bogus town hall meets in BC becase he can only take so much criticism. He knows, as does Nutley, that his spectacular pipeline approval will never get built. He will wash his hands of it and say to the Alberta people "I tried"
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William Blagdon
It's not like the CBC would cover it anyways.
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Gerald Hayes
The answer to this "global climate change"stupidity is that it's a leftie,libbie,scam to fleeze more money from the people in order to equalize the wealth around the globe-simply shame the unwitting out of their hard earned money in the guise of an unproven theory-the climate IS CHANGING,always has been changing AND will continue to change no matter WHAT-get used to it!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bruno Wol
After the discovery of the latest fraud of NOOA manipulating the data so it will fit the agenda at the Paris climate conference (which was hardly covered by any news media, except RT), why would anyone belive what those "scientists" breathlesly declare??
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Jim Roy ·
Yes, the NDP will lose. The climate policy is inappropriate because a tax on consumers will not change any behavior unless consumers have an alternative. Increased tax combined with free and expanded public transit would have hope of changing behavior. Tax plus rebate just adds administsrative expense without doing anything. Alberta royalty review also delivered an effective reduction in royalty (changes are not neutral), which will more than offset any climate effect of the new tax on consumption.
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Julie Ali ·
I agree with you. This is a dumb green washing GST for no benefit in changing consumer behaviour. If you are taxing everyone and then returning money to most of the taxed people how does this even constitute a climate change policy?
As for any money generated, I'd like the Auditor General to follow the money and tell citizens exactly where the cash that remains ends up.
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Mike Potter ·
Works at Retired
"One shocker is that only 52 per cent of Albertans believe climate change is caused by human activity."

What they believe isn't important. In the end the science will get them.
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Karen De Manbey ·
I think if you actually do some study on this you will find that what they disagree with is that humans have little to do with it so therefore throwing money at it won't change. I also know that you will find that even if carbon dioxide ( you know what you breathe out ) is dangerous then the real problem is in places like China, not here. You can't keep chasing jobs away from Canada and then complain when there are no jobs.
The climate change elistist don't work in industries that depend on these laws being reasonable. You probably sit at a desk all day while not having any real understanding of the impact of these job killing regulations.
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Guy Richie
Planet hasn't warmed in 20 years (according to satellite data, not NASA's faulty GISS surface record) despite 1/3 of all the CO2 (whose effects are supposed to be mostly immediate) man has ever emitted being released in that time. The hypothesis has failed.

And it stands to reason. The climate models (which can't even retrodict, let alone predict) don't include the wind, volcanoes, ocean oscillations, El Nino or even THE SUN. That's right. The alarmist climate models do not account for the effect of the Sun on the climate.

Yes, CO2 is a weak greenhouse gas. Yes we have some small effect on the climate. No, we're not going to die. The IPCC, the climate Vatican, admitted global warming does not cause extreme weather.

Dude, it's over. You were wrong. Just stop already.
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Finbarr Wilson ·
Karen De Manbey Not true. We have ample proof CO2 is causing an increased greenhouse effect including direct empirical evidence in the from of outbound and inbound radiation data from satellites. The oil and gas industry recognizes this basic science and is committed to doing something. It's investing millions, and should be lauded for their efforts.
We as a province need to look forward not backward. What was good enough 20 years ago, is not good enough now, and definitely short of what we will need 20 years from now.
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Michael Edward Bath ·
Karen De Manbey Even if growing global populations are causing global warming there's nothing they can do about it.
Global populations were 1.6 billion in 1900, about 4 billion in 1980, 7.5 billion today and predicted to rise to between 11 & 16 billion by the end of this century. The 11 billion estimate is assuming massive shortages of food and water caused by global warming, not because of increased use of birth control. (UN web site)
It is commonly held that there is a correlation between rapid global population growth and rising world temperatures, which seems entirely plausible to me.
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Barbi Benton ·
Karen De Manbey Right on! When the oil and gas industry is still laying off people you have to think that investment isn't coming back for a long time. When Pres Trump gets taxation etc right in the US, Canada may be in for a rough ride jobs wise. Governments have done pretty much all they can to exacerbate slow growth and a poor job market in Canada.
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Serge Hrazdan
Finbarr Wilson Actually, the satelites have shown no increase in temperatures, and climate change advocates have stopped using the data. Contemporary tree ring data shows that the climate is getting colder, not hotter, so climate change scientists rely only on tree ring data from before the time when surface termperature measurements were recorded. Ocean temperatures, once considered heresy amongst climate change advocates, are now considered the best way to measure global heat retention. You see, when one set of data fails to prove their point, they simply change data types, they get proven wrong, and it's rinse, wash, repeat.

Climate change is real: it's been a thing the whole time our planet has been around. Some of it might be caused by humans (I blame the Sun and Earth's orbit), but who knows, since the science is a scam, and its advocates fight to secure their funding, not our future.
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William Blagdon
If she isn't going to reject the deal she atleast better explain to her constituents how this plan will stop the climate from changing.
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Baked Canadians
Well this one term NDP govenment is just digging its hole deeper and deeper. It is amusing to watch them self destruct.
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Iain Foulds
... Baked: I have a letter published in the Edmonton Sun today on how there is a good chance that the Right will remain split in two parties, and the NDP re-elected.
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Keith Bonham
Iain Foulds DON,T BET THE FARM .
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Baked Canadians
Iain Foulds - Even divided the NDP needs a bare minimum of 40% to win a majority and the best poll today from the last year gives them 27%. That's 13% short of that magic 40% number. You know PC leader Alison Redford won a substantial majority with a divided right as well.
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Julie Ali ·
Iain Foulds I think the Wildrose will win the next election. Of course if the right does not want to get elected that is another story.
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Patrick McMurphy
Why aren't all these dimwit deniers teaching in universities?
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Kyle Holkeboer ·
Dimwits are the ones already running the Universities.
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Peter Gerard Beninger
These Marxists in environmentalist clothes need to be turfed with less than 10% of the popular vote. It would signal the beginning of a return to sanity.
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Keith Bonham
The Nutley NDP Government doesn,t have the mandate to force a carbon tax on Albertans .She never discribed their NDP agenda to Albertans durring the election.
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Heather Landsiedel ·
That is why she is calling it a levy.She thinks we are stupid!
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Julie Ali ·
It is not nice to call Ms. Notley names. While I do not agree with some of the policies of this government I don't believe it is productive to insult folks.
Better to vote them out.
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